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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 March 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Railways Bill

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

It may not be the cabinet secretary, because she might not be here in the next parliamentary session. I do not think that you are standing, cabinet secretary—are you? It will be your successor, whoever that may be.

Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. We will later consider in private the evidence that we have heard, which will inform the report that we put to the Parliament.

I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

We cannot hear you yet. Hold on. Let us just wait until I get the nod.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

You must have got a report pretty quickly from the dry dock. If it was my boat, I probably would have gone down and looked at it myself. That still left four months to work out that there would be an increase in price before the committee was notified.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

Excuse me, but I will start off by saying that that is the fourth time I have heard that speech. I heard it when I went to Clyde Blowers, I heard it when I listened to Tim Hair and I heard it from Graeme Thomson’s predecessor. Those speeches were almost exactly the same.

In the previous parliamentary session, the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee charged Ferguson Marine with updating it on the build of the Glen Rosa and Glen Sannox. That issue has been passed on to this committee, which is the logical successor committee. I have to say that the reports that have been delivered to this committee have, over a period of time, become progressively weaker, thinner and more off timescale. In fact, that resulted in this committee sending a letter on 2 April 2025 to Ferguson Marine—David Dishon dealt with that letter. We got a holding response telling us that Graeme Thomson would be in post and that we could not get a full report until then because it would be unfair on him. There seems to have been some speculation in the press about who authorised and suggested that response.

We then got a response on 13 May last year. That letter was written by you, Graeme Thomson, once you had had a chance to get your feet under the desk and to work out what the situation was. I would suggest that the report in your letter was fairly upbeat. You said that the work would be on time, and, in the third last paragraph, that costs would increase to £172.5 million, with a £12.5 million contingency. We were then told this January that costs would increase to £197.5 million and that delivery would not be on time.

Graeme, what am I to believe? Everything changes. It seems like quicksand. Having looked at the vessels for 10 years, I have to say that my frustration is huge. Will you explain why your letter of 13 May was so fundamentally wrong on price and on the delivery date?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

Wow. To me, it seems to be a bit of a guddle, especially given the fact that, based on some of what you have said regarding LNG, you must have known that LNG could not be stored at either place when you started down this road, yet you factored that in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

So it will be the taxpayers of Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

Is the extra £500,000, or whatever it is, for the Glen Rosa included in the £197.5 million?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Railways Bill

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is consideration of a legislative consent memorandum and a supplementary legislative consent memorandum on the Railways Bill. The bill was introduced in the United Kingdom Parliament on 5 November 2025, and its main purpose is to establish Great British railways as a new publicly owned body with responsibility for rail infrastructure and passenger services across Great Britain. It also makes wider provision in relation to railway funding, access to infrastructure and passenger representation.

The Scottish Government lodged an initial legislative consent memorandum on 5 November 2025, followed by a supplementary memorandum on 20 February this year, reflecting amendments made to the bill during its passage through the House of Commons. I note that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has considered the memorandums and, although it has drawn attention to limited information on one new delegated power, it has made no recommendations in relation to consent. The committee issued a targeted call for views, and I place on record the committee’s thanks to those who were able to respond within the very tight timeframes with contributions to our scrutiny.

This morning, we will hear from the Cabinet Secretary for Transport before considering what recommendations to make to Parliament on the Scottish Government’s draft legislative consent motion. I therefore welcome to the meeting Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport; Bill Reeve, director for rail reform, Transport Scotland; and Debbie Blair, lawyer, Scottish Government.

Before we move to questions, I think that the cabinet secretary wants to make a short opening statement—I keep asking for short statements, but no one listens. Over to you, cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

You went into the dry dock in August.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Edward Mountain

Something in that 15 September update to the committee was fundamentally flawed—it was wrong. Either the price was going to remain the same and the boat was going to be delivered on time, or the price was not going to remain the same and the boat was not going to be delivered on time. You said something to the committee that was fundamentally wrong.