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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Perfect. I will bring in Rhoda Grant next. Rhoda, if you could try to direct your questions at just a couple of people, as we are pushed for time—as always, on this committee.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Ailsa Raeburn wanted to come in; Paul Walton is waving as well. I do not know whether you have already picked a hand, Monica.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
I am tempted to ask the witnesses to give a yes or no answer, but I know that that is not going to work—you will all have views on the matter. However, I ask you to keep your answers short.
If you are happy, Finlay, I will just work along the line from Bruce Wilson to Caroline Brown and then to Ailsa Raeburn.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
The one part of Finlay Carson’s question that none of you answered was whether there was enough money to achieve all of this and where that money might come from. Perhaps that question should be left hanging at the end of the session, given that we are now out of time.
I thank the witnesses very much for coming here and giving evidence this morning, and I thank Ailsa Raeburn for doing that so well online. I knew exactly when she had finished and when it was appropriate to bring the next person in.
The committee will now consider the evidence that has been given. Later this month, we will hear from the Scottish Government in relation to the plan.
11:26 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I suppose that this is probably the last time that I will get a chance to say this: I hope that everyone has a very happy new year and that it brings everything that they want.
Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is to consider the evidence that we will hear today on the biodiversity delivery plans, and item 4 is to consider our work programme. Are we happy to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Agenda item 2 is an evidence session on the draft delivery plan to accompany the Scottish Government’s new biodiversity strategy. The committee is continuing work that we started in late 2022, when we took evidence on the draft strategy. On 12 December, we discussed the delivery plan with a panel of experts on marine biodiversity. This morning, we will hear from a panel of experts and stakeholders on the terrestrial aspects of the plan.
I am pleased to welcome Dr Caroline Brown, director for Scotland, Ireland and English regions at the Royal Town Planning Institute; Sarah Cowie, policy manager for the National Farmers Union Scotland; Dr Paul Walton, head of habitats and species for RSPB Scotland; and Bruce Wilson, head of policy advocacy for the Scottish Wildlife Trust. Joining us remotely is Ailsa Raeburn, chairperson for Community Land Scotland.
I point out to those watching and to committee members that Dr Hannah Rudman, who was down to attend as a witness, has been unable to attend. Thank you to all those who have attended. I am pleased to welcome Finlay Carson MSP and Rhoda Grant MSP from the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, who are in attendance for today’s evidence session. You will both get a chance to ask questions nearer to the end of the evidence session.
We will spend about 90 minutes on this session and move straight into committee members’ questions. Before we do, because the evidence is on the biodiversity strategy on land, I will make a voluntary declaration of interest and remind members that my entry in the register of members’ interests shows that I am a member of a family farming partnership—we farm land—and that I am also involved in a wild salmon fishery, where I am a partner. Both of those have possible relevance to what we are discussing this morning. Full details can be found in my entry in the register of members’ interests.
On that note, I turn to the first questions, which come from Douglas Lumsden.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
We will go to Ailsa first. I noticed that Paul Walton was nodding and wanting to come in, as well as Bruce Wilson, so I will bring them in next.
11:15Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
There is a huge catch-up process for politicians and Government in relation to what is happening on the ground, which seems to be well ahead of them.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Ailsa, you are on mute at the moment.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
We need to move on. I am sorry—I need to be quite tight on the questions. I will go to Jackie Dunbar for the next questions.