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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I did some figures across Highland—60 per cent of the houses do not meet energy performance certificate C standard. If you do a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation—which I am not in favour of—it comes out at about £350 million to get the houses that are below EPC C up to that standard, which is a huge cost. If you put that out across the whole of Scotland, across all the local authorities, the costs will be eye-watering. From the committee’s point of view, it is about keeping a handle on that.

Gail, do you think that COSLA will be able to give us an indication of the costs? We know the size of the problem, but surely we cannot fix it until we know the size of the costs.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Thank you very much for that.

I will ask the first questions. Gail Macgregor said:

“This report by the Committee on the just transition to a net zero economy is potentially a watershed moment for Scotland in tackling climate change.

The report is clear that Scotland will not meet its ambitious climate targets without a more empowered Local Government.”

Will you start off by fleshing out those two sentences for us, Gail?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has some questions, I think.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we finish, I have a final question. Sorry about that, Councillor Macgregor.

My interest is in bringing in private money to finance some of the things that need to be achieved. In previous years, we have had a relatively low interest rate. Now, it is 4.5 per cent and it might increase further. Investors will be looking for a return on their money, too, and there will be a significant cost either to the people who benefit from or use the service or to councils. Levering in is fine—the difficult part is paying for it. Does that make you lose sleep at night as well?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Under agenda item 4, the committee will consider the evidence that we will hear under agenda item 2, and under agenda item 5, the committee will consider a draft annual report. Do members agree to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Silke, now is your moment, if Gail lets you in.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Complaint

Meeting date: 11 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I agree.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Edward Mountain

You are saying that you are content to let mortalities increase by 35 per cent. The industry will say that it is producing more fish and that therefore accounts for more mortalities. However, compounding an error surely is not the way forward. I do not understand any industry that would accept a 25 per cent mortality rate. I understand that, with farming, there is a certain amount of mortality, but are you really happy with 25 per cent? Do you think that that is good for the environment around our coastlines or good for the industry?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I have two questions. My first question is about waste. One thing that has been clear in the industry is that the use of antibiotics has gone up by 168 per cent since 2017, and they are mainly used at sea. Are you comfortable that the industry is using such a high level of antibiotics at sea and that one of them, oxytetracycline, is one of the main ones used to treat human diseases, which is building up the risk of overuse of antibiotics? Are you concerned about that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I can put some flesh on the figures that Christine Grahame referred to, just to help you, cabinet secretary. In 2016, 22,000 tonnes of salmon died in fish farms. In 2021, the figure had risen by 35 per cent to nearly 30,000 tonnes of fish. If you were to put that on lorries that were touching each other nose to tail, they would stretch for nearly 11 miles—that is 11 miles of articulated lorries of dead fish.

In its report “Salmon farming in Scotland”, the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee said that mortalities were “too high” and made some recommendations in that regard. I have looked at the information that you provided to this committee, and I do not see that any of those recommendations have been taken on board. The suggestion from the industry was to move fish farms further offshore to prevent gill disease and infections. Another suggestion was not to allow farms where there is high mortality to continue—they are still continuing—and another was to consider a red, amber and green system for farms that are performing or not performing whereby, if they got to amber, they would have to reduce their production, and, if they got to red, they would have to cease it. Do you not think that those were wise recommendations by that committee that would protect the industry from itself? Will you push forward those recommendations?