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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

I was going to say that that was a perfect point on which to end, but Mark Ruskell is going to trump me.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

That was a very useful session, and we are now at the end of it. Thank you very much for coming, for sitting through both sessions and for answering our questions in the latter session. It was very helpful for us.

11:59 Meeting continued in private until 12:23.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

In effect, within three years, we have to more than double what we are doing at the moment. Is that achievable?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

There are some other questions, but I have got a quick one first.

Minister, you made the point that heat networks are used in Denmark and that they are very attractive in Glasgow. In most cases in Denmark and Glasgow, we are talking about urban conurbations or larger conurbations. Given that the biggest cost for heat pumps is surely the piping and the insulating of the piping, are they ever going to become attractive in rural areas, where houses are spread out?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

Jim Fairlie, very quickly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

I will avoid the temptation to talk about heat pumps in old houses. Douglas Lumsden, do you want to ask a question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

That might well be what happens beyond the current targets, but I have just been told by Suzanne that the target is 2.6TWh by 2027. Therefore, is it possible to double what we are producing at the moment in less than three years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. What is it going to cost?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

I welcome Jim Fairlie, who is here as a substitute. I believe that Sarah Boyack may attend the meeting at some stage.

Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take agenda items 6, 7 and 8 in private. Under item 6, we will consider a draft letter on our pre-budget scrutiny; under item 7, we will consider the evidence that we will hear under item 4; and under item 8, we will consider the evidence that we will hear under item 5. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. I am pleased to welcome the Minister for Zero Carbon Buildings, Active Travel and Tenants’ Rights, Patrick Harvie. I also welcome from the Scottish Government James Hemphill, who is head of the heat networks policy unit, and—I will probably pronounce this name wrongly, but I will try hard—Suzanne Le Miere, who is head of the heat networks policy team. I hope that I got that name right. I see that I did—good. Thank you for joining us today.

The instrument was laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited, under the next agenda item, to consider a motion for the committee to recommend that the instrument be approved.

I remind everyone that officials can speak under this agenda item, but not in the debate that follows.

I believe that the minister wants to make a brief opening statement.