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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We have apologies from Jackie Dunbar, and Jim Fairlie is attending as her substitute. Jim, welcome to the meeting. It is good to see you here. Because you are attending as a substitute member of the committee, the first agenda item is to invite you to declare any relevant interests that you have.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I presume that the designs were signed off by CMAL as and when they came up, as the sponsor for the vessels. Why did it not pick up the design problems that you have talked about? Is it working with you at the moment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

We will go back to the subject of overhead costs, on which Mark Ruskell and Jim Fairlie want to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I wrote to you in August asking when you approached the MCA regarding the escape hatches and routes. You said that the first 1261 application was submitted in July this year, and that it was for just one escape route. You are telling me that you submitted it in July, when you actually identified the problem nearly two years ago.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I am totally confused. You have CMAL signing off the designs—the designs are a problem, and you say that they are not signed off. CMAL also signs off the payments—it signed off £82 million of a £97 million contract when only half a boat was constructed. What is going on? I do not understand where the buck stops. You say that the issue is the designs; CMAL has signed off the designs. I am confused about who is carrying the can between the two of you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I do not want to cover old ground, but I know for a fact that, if I was representing a client and I signed off £82 million-worth of work and only got £30 million-worth, I would probably be for the high jump. I am an ex-surveyor, and maybe being a surveyor is different from building boats, but somehow I doubt it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Really? The committee will, I would suggest, have to consider that further, because you are saying that there is a discrepancy in somebody else’s offices, whereas the MCA is quite clearly saying that it is down to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

David Tydeman, before we move on to some other questions from other members, could you just clarify? You said that these additional fire escape routes and the known requirements to be met will reduce the passenger carrying capacity from 1,000 to the 800s, I think. What effect does that have on lorries and cars? Is there a reduction?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Graham Simpson, welcome to the committee.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. Jim Fairlie, you wanted to come back with a follow-up.