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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 3 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument: the Bus Services Improvement Partnerships (Objections) (Scotland) Regulations 2024. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Minister for Transport. The minister is joined by Liana Waclawski, a lawyer for the Scottish Government; Orsolya Keri—I might not have got the pronunciations right; I always struggle a wee bit, and I apologise, so if I have been clumsy, forgive me—the bus regulatory policy manager for Transport Scotland; and Bettina Sizeland, the director of bus, accessibility and active travel for Transport Scotland. Thank you very much for joining us today.

Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited, under the next agenda item, to consider a motion calling for the committee to recommend approval of the draft instrument. I remind everyone that the officials can speak during this item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. I was not going to get into concessionary funding, because that funds only a proportion of the actual costs. I am asking whether local transport partnerships have the money to create their own bus companies. I do not think that there is much money available. You said that £5 million in capital funding has been provided. I cannot remember the cost of a bus, but that would not even cover 15 buses, would it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sure that local authorities will have a view on where they will struggle to find the money from.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

It is just an observation. If you want them to run as fast as possible, they will have to learn the process of not tripping over their own feet as they do it, if you will excuse the analogy. I am just worried that they are new and we need to give them time.

Mark, you have some questions before I ask a further question, and then Bob.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Right, I have just decided that I am not taking any of these cases.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Bob, I think that you have a further question, and then I will bring in Sarah Boyack. Sarah, if you want to bring up any points that you have heard in the session, this will be your chance to do it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Justice costs.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

We are very short on time. I have to balance your right to give me an answer and committee members’ requirement to ask questions. I will go to Mark Ruskell, who is online, and perhaps you will get a chance to answer when he asks his question.

Mark, I think that you have some questions. Do you?

Have I wrongfooted him, or have we lost connection? On the basis that we have—[Interruption.] Mark, did you have follow-up questions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

That is the perfect place to leave this discussion, because I saw everyone round the table nodding their heads in agreement, and it is always nice to end on a note of agreement.

Thank you very much for your expertise. Our next step will be to consider the evidence that we have heard and to take further evidence from ESS at our meeting on 5 March. We will hold an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition in the near future, after the Government has published its response to the consultation.

I ask the witnesses to stay put while we complete the next short item on our agenda.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

12:03 Meeting continued in private until 12:26.