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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. Our next agenda item is an evidence session on Scotland’s railways. The committee has held evidence sessions on rail services annually since ScotRail entered public ownership in 2022. Our aim is to take stock of the state of rail services in Scotland over the past year.

I put on record the committee’s thanks to the three trade unions that provided us with written evidence for the session. They are the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen, Unite the union, and the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers.

On our first panel, we will hear from two of Scotland’s independent watchdogs for rail services. I am pleased to welcome Liz McLeod, who is head of regulatory analysis at the Office of Rail and Road, and Robert Samson, who is senior stakeholder manager at Transport Focus. Thank you for joining us this morning.

We will ask a series of questions, and I will start things off with a very simple question, to get you into the flow of it. How has ScotRail’s performance changed since the committee last considered the issues in May 2023, and are passengers getting a noticeably better service?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

In fairness, that is not leaves on the line. It is serious weather conditions—storms and such like—which, very unfortunately, have caused loss of life some years ago.

We have a heap of questions. Mark Ruskell is next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell has a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I will go to Monica Lennon and then to the deputy convener, Ben Macpherson, to wrap it up at the end.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I think that there was a line in last year’s Transport Scotland budget that allocated around £14 million to cover wage increases. Will that happen every year or will that money be part of the overall budget? How will that work out?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I understand and accept all of that, but I want to understand whether, every time there is a wage increase—I think that the cost of the 5 per cent increase was roughly £14 million—it will appear as a separate line in Transport Scotland’s budget or be part of your budget as a whole.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I am thinking about how a business would approach the issue. Most businesses would say, “Right, here’s my budget.” If they did not have enough money, they could not necessarily go to somebody else and ask for more money. Businesses have to make their budgets work, so they would have to make cuts in other areas to fund a pay increase, but it appears that you have simply gone to Transport Scotland to get that money. Have I got that completely wrong?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I am absolutely not disagreeing with the negotiating process; I am simply saying that you did not have enough money, so you had to get more money from Transport Scotland to cover the pay increase. Is that what will happen every year or will you be expected to fund pay increases for your staff from the money that you are given?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

He is itching to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

You are not getting a follow-up question, because—