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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. I will leave it there. Bob Doris may come in now, but briefly, as I want to move on to the next questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

We will go back to Monica Lennon for the next set of questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. So neither of you will answer the question now, but we will get written correspondence at a later date.

I hope that Monica Lennon is satisfied with that answer, because I would like to go to Mark Ruskell for some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I am looking round to see whether members have any other questions, but it appears that they do not.

You have commented on the fact that heat in buildings is a huge problem. Indeed, I have heard a figure of £9 billion being trotted out for getting properties up to the required standard. That does not seem unreasonable; I did a brief calculation on social housing in the Highlands and estimated that we are probably talking about a bill of £300 million. If we are talking about £9 billion for social housing across Scotland, the interest on that alone will be £630 million a year without anything being paid back. It is a huge cost and the savings per house per year might be £400 on an electricity bill.

You have also talked about gas, but not everyone has gas. We certainly do not have it across the Highlands. I am therefore concerned that people do not understand the size of the problem. Do you share that concern? Do you also share the concern that, because of the huge amount of money involved, it might be difficult to get people in a cost of living crisis to buy into the targets?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I hear that. My concern is that there could be no district heating systems for some remote houses in Scotland because the house is the district. Most of them are probably 30 to 40 years old. In a broad-brush generalisation, it will cost £40,000 to convert a two-bedroom house to electric heating. I am not sure where people will get that money from or that they will buy into it if they do not see the benefits, which might result in only a small saving.

It is all right to look at the figures and audit them, but will we be able to get the results? Is the Government on track to get the results that it needs?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. Cabinet secretary, this is the first time that you have appeared in front of the committee in your new role—congratulations on your appointment.

The cabinet secretary is joined by George Beale-Pratt, smart policy manager, Transport Scotland; and Natalie Milligan, solicitor, Scottish Government. Thank you for joining us.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited at the next agenda item to consider a motion for the committee to recommend that the instrument be approved. As always, I remind everyone that the officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows.

Cabinet secretary, I think that you would like to make a brief opening statement, so the floor is yours.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Can they be reappointed after four years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I have one further question, if no one has any others. Oh, I see that Monica Lennon wants to ask a question. I will go to her first and then come back to mine.

I think that Monica is waiting to go live.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Now, I will really look round the room to make sure that no one else wants to speak before I make another attempt to get my question in. Right—there is no one else, so I am going.

Kevin Stewart wrote to the committee on 15 May last year to confirm the pay rates for the people on the board. I think that they were £194 per day for board members and £238 a day for the chairperson. Are those the current rates? Have they been reviewed? You might not know the answer, cabinet secretary, and I am happy to take a letter if—oh, I see that George knows the answer.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

The committee will report on the outcome of the instrument in due course. Are members happy to delegate authority to me as convener to finalise that report for publication?

Members indicated agreement.