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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. Our next item of business is an evidence session with the Auditor General for Scotland. The committee has agreed to hold two evidence sessions on how the Scottish Government is working to address the challenge of climate change and to make Scotland net zero in greenhouse gas emissions by 2045.

Audit Scotland produced a report last year called “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”. We are delighted to have Audit Scotland here to discuss the main conclusions of that report and other issues to do with the effectiveness of the Scottish Government’s governance arrangements in relation to climate change.

I am pleased to welcome Stephen Boyle, Auditor General for Scotland, and Rebecca Seidel, senior manager, Audit Scotland. Thank you for joining us this morning.

Before we go to questions, Stephen, I believe that you would like to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sure that you will comment at the end of the meeting as to whether or not you have enjoyed it, but we are delighted to have you.

The first question is for you, Auditor General. The director general net zero told the Public Audit Committee that he accepted all the recommendations of the Audit Scotland climate governance report. What changes have been made as a result of the findings, and are there any particular areas where no change has been made but change needs to be made?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

That would be helpful, especially as the committee’s report last year identified workforce planning as one of the key issues for local authorities with regard to net zero.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

It sounds as though you are fairly relaxed about this. Is that a result of the governance framework that you put forward to the Government? Has it responded to that as you hoped that it would?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I understand that you are not relaxed about this, but you think that things are going in the right direction.

The deputy convener, Ben Macpherson, wants to come in with a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

We will probably have an opportunity to come back to that issue and, before the end of the meeting, I certainly want to raise the issue of heat in buildings, because it is a subject that causes me concern. However, at this point, I invite Monica Lennon to ask her questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

The next questions are yours, Jackie.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Ben Macpherson has a follow-up question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Because I am going to ask about heat in buildings, I remind everyone of my entry in the register of interests: I have an interest in a farming partnership and in property lettings. All of that is on the official register.

If you are at the cutting edge of technology and you are moving forward faster than anyone else, is there a risk that that will cost you more money and that it will leave you open to more mistakes, with the result that you might have to come back and learn lessons from what you have done? If you charge ahead, surely you could find yourself out on a limb.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I am saying that if, as an individual part of the United Kingdom, you set targets that are in front of everyone else’s targets, there could be a financial risk and a risk of investing in technology that might be unproven. Do you agree?