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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for that brief question and brief answer, which bring us to the end of this session. I will suspend the meeting until 11:15 to allow for a changeover of witnesses and let members prepare for the next item. Cabinet secretary, thank you and your officials for attending. You are staying with the committee for the next item, so we will see you shortly.

11:07 Meeting suspended.  

11:15 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item is evidence on a type 1 consent notification on the Persistent Organic Pollutants (Amendment) Regulations 2023.

The United Kingdom Government is seeking the Scottish Government’s consent to legislate in an area of devolved competence in respect of a UK statutory instrument. On 18 June, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition notified the committee of the UK instrument. The Scottish Government asked whether the committee could, exceptionally, consider the regulations by 28 June, in order to complete parliamentary consideration before the summer recess. I agreed to place the item on the agenda for this meeting.

The committee’s role is to decide whether it agrees with the Scottish Government’s proposal to consent to the UK Government making the regulations within devolved competence, and in the manner that the UK Government has indicated to the Scottish Government. We aim to come to a view on that after today’s evidence.

I am pleased to welcome back Màiri McAllan, Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition. The cabinet secretary is joined by Dan Merckel, chemicals team leader from the Scottish Government. Before we move on to questions, would you like to make a brief opening statement, cabinet secretary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

You do not need to worry: that point has now been connected, but it took an awfully long time to get there. The point is that £30 million has been put aside and we have spent only £7 million. That is quite a drop, and there is a mismatch, if we need so many more.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

The vastness of your portfolio is fully understood by the committee, which has a vast remit as well. Sometimes, we struggle to get round to every part of it, but we will have a go today. Ash Regan will start questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

We will communicate that to the Government. That concludes the public part of the meeting.

11:31 Meeting continued in private until 12:39.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We have received apologies from Jackie Dunbar, and Bob Doris is attending the meeting as a substitute member for the Scottish National Party. Welcome, again, Bob.

This is our first public meeting since our deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop, left the committee to take up her new role as Minister for Transport. I am sure that we all agree that the committee benefited greatly from Fiona’s experience in government and the diligence that she showed while on the committee. We all wish her well in her new role—there are lots of things to deal with. I am glad that we have that on the record.

Under our first agenda item, we must decide whether to take items 5 and 6 in private. Item 5 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear under item 2, and item 6 is consideration of our work programme. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a question before we leave the topic of the environment, cabinet secretary. You have explained the importance of biodiversity and the aim to reach net zero. We grow a few trees on the farm, but purely for non-commercial purposes. Across Scotland, there was a commercial target for 15,000 hectares to be planted last year, but we achieved only 8,000 hectares, which is 53 per cent of the total. Since 2016, we have been gradually dropping behind the Government targets year on year. Does that worry you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

We saw an agreement signed between Lorna Slater and private investment to increase forestry. We tried to find out exactly what that would involve, what levels of funding were going to be generated and how the private sector was going to benefit from it—because, although it is altruistic, I am sure, in wanting to see more trees, there must be some benefit. However, I am not sure that we ever got to the bottom of that. Do you fully understand it, cabinet secretary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a couple of questions on transport. In its pre-budget scrutiny last year, the committee looked at the roll-out of electric vehicles and charging points. I believe that you indicated when you wrote to us that there will be quite a lot of public investment in that—£30 million, I think—on top of the Government’s investment. When you updated the committee this year, I think that £7.25 million of the funding had been allocated to date, but no new charging point installations had been directly supported by the fund. Installations are expected to begin in early 2024.

Are we dropping behind on EV charging points? Do you think that, if we had more, there would be more EVs on the roads because people would have confidence that they could top them up when they needed to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Are you happy with that, Mark, or do you want to hear from Dan Merckel?