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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Perfect. I got it right, through you. Fergus Colquhoun is an advocate at the Faculty of Advocates. I also welcome Dr Jill Robbie, who is a senior lecturer in the school of law at the University of Glasgow, and Don Macleod, who is a partner at Turcan Connell.

Like last week, I want to declare an interest that I have in a farming partnership in Moray. It is all set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. Specifically, I declare an interest as an owner of around 500 acres of farmland, of which around 50 acres is woodland. I declare that I am a tenant of around 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy and that I have another farm tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991. I also declare that, sometimes, I take on grass lets on an annual basis.

The deputy convener will now make a somewhat shorter declaration.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Oh, perfect. Thank you very much.

We will go through part 1 of the bill, and then we will suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witness. Don Macleod will step down and Grierson Dunlop, who is also a partner at Turcan Connell, will take over. Dr Jill Robbie will leave us at that stage, too, because part 1 is her specialty.

Let us move on to questions—the easy bit. I ask each of you to explain briefly your experience in land management. We will start from my right—the witnesses’ left—then work along the line. Gail Watt, will you say a wee bit about your experience?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

The first question will come from the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

I apologise to Ben Macpherson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell wants to come in briefly with a supplementary question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

I will talk about expectation and community input. Let us say that consultation goes on and one of the community inputs is to create a mountain bike track from A to B—that is what the community would like, because that would give it some input into a local business. If that is put into the management plan, who pays for it? Does the funding have to go in the management plan, or will it all be down to the landowner to fund it if the community wants it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

So you think that, in cases in which something might not be deliverable because there are no funds to do it, despite the fact that it is a big landowner who owns the land, expectation can be managed if the communities have an input.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

I saw Don Macleod put his hand up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Before we leave that and go to Monica Lennon for a supplementary question, can you clarify that you do not expect land management plans to include financial information? Do you expect them to say how much it costs to run an estate? That might be quite interesting—and frightening. Jill Robbie, do you want to answer that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Edward Mountain

So, you would like to see the entire cashflow.