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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

I think that there is teacher feed-in. The evidence that the committee has heard and received from all the submissions shows that there is really big teacher buy-in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

As I said earlier, some members of the teaching profession are not keen on the bill. However, an awful lot are, and I want to capture their enthusiasm, commitment, expertise and professionalism. They are doing a wonderful job. I think that the bill would enhance the opportunities to expand on that professional development and, at the same time, give a lot of benefits to young people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

Yes. There are some circumstances in which parents who have more means than others contribute more in the way of fundraising activities of the type that happen in a school, through taking responsibility and putting in a bit more money behind those activities. There are some parents who are making provision for transport costs, whereas other kids are not getting that provision, and some schools are having to subsidise on that basis.

Mr Mason is right to question that, because some parents obviously have greater means than others. Would they be able to go ahead and pay a bit while parents of other children do not? I think that it is worth exploring that, but I would not want the level playing field to be removed because of that. Could we part fund it? Could we use PEF money for some of the youngsters? I think that that is a possibility, and I have discussed it with the Scottish Government. We know that there are some schools, certainly in my region, that use PEF to subsidise youngsters who are not able to go, yet other parents in that school are paying for the activity. I think that there is some scope to discuss that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

I might consider lodging amendments on that if I felt that the committee might like us to pursue it.

Again, it comes back to the point that what is happening just now is a patchwork, and there is a bit of a mix with regard to how such activity is funded in some schools. I certainly think that there is scope for flexibility in how it is funded overall, should the bill pass.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

I think that most of the costs are captured in the financial memorandum, but let me go back to your first point, which is very important, about teachers clocking in at 9 o’clock and clocking out at 5 o’clock. Many teachers would tell you that those are not the hours that they are working now. They are probably in the classroom—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

Being at a centre is a full-time experience. Nowadays, they are in charge 24/7, as it should be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

The bill team and my staff have been working very hard on that point, as has the Government in recent months, to be fair. What has become evident during the early stages of the bill is that we do not have enough data to capture exactly what is happening. Some local authorities—such as the City of Edinburgh Council, which you heard from—are first class and can tell you exactly how many pupils are going on residentials. We know that several local authorities have been using the EVOLVEvisits system, which captures quite a few residentials, and that all the local authorities in Wales know exactly how many people are going on residentials. However, there is not a universal outlook. You are quite right to say that the data is patchy. We have to be sure that, if the bill is to progress, we are capturing more and more of that data as we go forward.

One thing that the bill has done is raise awareness of the fact that we do not have enough data on the issue. We have spent an awful long time questioning each of the outdoor education centres and asking all the local authorities how many of their young people have been to those centres. We have looked at lots of studies that have been done by universities and so on.

I would not pretend for a minute that we have 100 per cent accuracy in the data, but I think that we are getting there, and I am convinced that we have enough background evidence to ensure that the bill is positive.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Liz Smith

Good morning, Mr McArthur. I will follow on from the question about support, particularly in relation to the voice of young people, following on from some of the comments in the CHAS submission. Naturally, the decision that we are discussing is often a very difficult one to make, particularly if the family involved has conflicting views on what should happen. When it comes to younger people, it is even more difficult. On what evidence have you based your costings on the extra support network that would be required for such situations?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Liz Smith

When you say “shackles”, are there specific issues other than the funding problem that you would like to see changed that would free up the college sector to be more responsive?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Liz Smith

Are there shackles, other than the funding issue, that you would like to see removed?