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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Liz Smith

Is it not the case, however, that there are differences among those who are in the economic inactivity group? There are some who actually want to work but are finding it very difficult to get into the labour market and some who are not really bothered, to be quite honest. If we want to attract people back into the labour market, do we need to pursue different policies for those two different categories of people?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Liz Smith

Thank you for that helpful answer. Do you, as part an institute that does so much economic analysis, feel that the UK has sufficient data to drill down into economic inactivity? It is a major factor in policy making. If we could solve some of the economic inactivity issues, we would not only increase revenue but increase productivity in the economy. However, it strikes me—I think that I also speak for another parliamentary committee in saying this—that the data is vague and not terribly helpful. Do you agree that, across the UK, we do not have enough data on the issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Liz Smith

That information came across when the OBR gave evidence to the committee last week. In the UK, we seem to have higher rates of economic inactivity compared with other countries. All countries experienced Covid, but we seem to be an outlier in that regard. Do you have any reflections on why that is?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Liz Smith

Do you think that co-operation between the DWP and Social Security Scotland is improving?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Liz Smith

That is encouraging to hear. If we are to be successful in targeting those who are most in need and to have effective measurement of which policies work better than others, it is absolutely critical that we have the right data in place. Exactly that point was flagged up in last week’s evidence session with local authority representatives. You are right that local authorities are finding it much easier to work with the 2017 act, because it forces them to think about exactly what they are measuring and how effective they are at doing that.

However, there is a bigger picture in relation to the estimates that have come from the Scottish Fiscal Commission, which we all know about, and are only too real. If we are going to use social security to provide the best possible benefits to everyone in Scotland, we have to target those who are most in need and ensure that we have the right data to allow us to do that. That brings in difficult arguments about which payments can and cannot be universal. However, the committee is interested in how effective the policy making is, which is why I was interested in the comments that you made in your report about that data.

Hannah Randolph, you made an interesting comment about modelling. Will you expand a bit on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Liz Smith

That is helpful. Professor Sinclair or Mr Dickie, do you have any comments on improving data?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Liz Smith

Mr Birt, the most recent Joseph Rowntree Foundation report, which was very interesting, was about some of the aspects of child poverty. It was very supportive of the policy that we have in Scotland, as everybody has been this morning, but you raised some interesting issues about “weaknesses” in the data, as you described it. You commented that, if the Scottish Government makes a huge commitment of £400 million-plus to a policy such as this, we must be able to drill down into the details of that policy.

What extra data would you like in order for us to be able to measure more effectively what the outcomes are when we implement a policy?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Liz Smith

Are you pointing to a quantitative lack in the data, or is there something qualitative that we need to do?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Liz Smith

Is more of that static analysis on-going now than it was before?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Liz Smith

Our witnesses last week said pretty much the same thing on that.