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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

Mr Sturrock, do you have a view?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

To pick up the points that you have both made, in the current environment, there is—sadly, in my opinion—an increasing mistrust in some public bodies because they are not as efficient as they should be and, therefore, are not dealing with some cases effectively. The Government and its agencies are not able to get the answers that they should get to genuine questions, and that is the main reason why the demand for public inquiries is increasing.

That trust element is interesting. The public are looking for trust, and I sometimes think that people trust a judge-led inquiry because they feel that it is the right form for an inquiry to take. However, you are suggesting—again, rightly—that there are other ways of doing inquiries. It is just about how—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

The issue involves marrying together those two difficult issues with an opportunity cost and Government efficiency, and they do not quite fit together. That is one of the big challenges for the committee as to how we go forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

You have both mentioned the NHS Highland inquiry. I know that that was done slightly differently to other public inquiries, but did you feel that, at the end of the day, those people who had been clamouring for a public inquiry felt more satisfied than has been the case with other public inquiries, where people have been dissatisfied with the result?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

Whom the public trust—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

It is an important question to ask, because, as you rightly set out, there are other ways of doing inquiries and other witnesses have told the committee the same thing. If the committee ends up recommending that there should be a change in the focus of some inquiries, we must ensure that there is sufficient evidence to prove that the type of inquiry that NHS Highland was subject to can work just as well as a judge-led inquiry that goes on for a long time.

I cannot remember whether it was Mr Campbell or Mr Sturrock who rightly said at the beginning of the meeting that public inquiries are not entirely about what the people who demand the inquiry want. An inquiry is about drilling down into what happened and why, but there is also a more difficult second part, which is about what should be done to address those issues in future, and, as Mr Sturrock rightly pointed out, that requires a different skill set. None of that is about blame, which is, I think, what a lot of people are looking for. Therefore, if we are going to address public concerns, along with those of Government about the costs and efficiency of public inquiries, we must look at the different ways in which they might work.

I am interested in your views on whether, for very difficult cases, it is better to have a judge-led inquiry—for which the public often have a great deal of respect because the judge is independent and well trusted by it—or whether the inquiry might be done in another, slightly less adversarial way. Do you have any comments on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

That is really helpful.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Child Poverty

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Liz Smith

I thank the cabinet secretary for prior sight of her statement. I put on the record, again, that the Scottish Conservatives, like all other parties in the chamber, absolutely see child poverty as an important issue.

I will concentrate my questions on the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s most recent report. First, the SFC says that the Scottish Government’s mitigation of the two-child cap would be one of two major factors contributing to the widening gap between social security spend in Scotland and available funding. Where will cuts be made to pay for that mitigation?

Secondly, how does the cabinet secretary respond to the claims from some independent economic analysts that the mitigation will create perverse incentives against working, at a time when Scotland is already facing significantly higher percentages of economic inactivity than elsewhere? Does she think that that might be the reason why a lot of members of the public support the two-child cap?

Finally, the Scottish Fiscal Commission has calculated that the mitigation will cost £156 million in 2026-27 and that that will rise to £199 million—which is a slightly different figure from the one that the cabinet secretary just gave—over the period to 2029-30. Can the cabinet secretary explain why a 27.5 per cent increase is expected in that short period of time?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Local Authority Housing Emergencies

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Liz Smith

I turn to the private rented sector and affordable homes. Mr Blackwood, the submission from the Scottish Association of Landlords mentions quite a list of challenges: the problem with the additional dwelling supplement, the demographics of private landlords getting a wee bit older, negative attitudes towards some of your landlords and regulatory challenges. In that list of very considerable challenges, what do you cite as the most pressing difficulty that you face?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Local Authority Housing Emergencies

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Liz Smith

Are meetings planned?