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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

That is what my bill is attempting to enable.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

We do not have that approach because of our electoral system, which does not allow for regional by-elections. If we introduced regional by-elections for recall, why would we not have by-elections for a member who just stands down? That would be delving into the whole electoral system in Scotland. The concept of a regional by-election would be completely new.

I have tried to come up with something straightforward, and it really is. You might not agree with it, but it is quite easy to understand. It is fair that, as far as it goes, we cannot completely replicate the constituency element of recall in the regional system. It cannot be done, but I have got quite close.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes, I accept that. Glasgow is possibly the easiest area to do that in the country, whereas people would have further to travel to get to signing places in the Highlands, where they would clearly be more spread out. I imagine that that is already the case in elections. I am afraid that I do not know how far people have to travel, but I imagine that it is a lot further in the Highlands than it is for you or me in the areas that we represent. It is important that we get that right. A lot of that will be left to regulations and councils, so we need to work closely with them to get the right places.

Ben McKendrick wants to come in at this point.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes. Let me put it another way: if we are being honest, nobody really knows who they are going to get when they put that cross on the ballot for the regional list. They end up with who they end up with. For that regional element, nobody voted for me individually—but if I were to be subject to a recall vote, people would have heard of me, because I would probably have done something. Then it is about the individual MSP and their behaviour—or alleged behaviour—not about the party. In my view, that individual should have the chance to make their case.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. Well, let us pick somebody who has switched parties: Jamie Greene. If Jamie Greene were subject to a recall vote and he lost, he would be replaced by the next person on the Conservative list in the region that he was elected to.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It would be difficult. There are some very large regions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Let me put a different scenario to you. People switch parties for various reasons. They could have been mistreated by their current party. They might find coming into work a total nightmare and think that they cannot put up with it any longer. Would you punish somebody who was in that situation by subjecting them to a recall vote? I do not think that you would; it would not be fair.

People switch parties for a number of reasons that might not be about political opportunism. They could have absolutely genuine reasons. Somebody might just change their views. There could be a whole load of reasons, and we have to be careful before we go down that route.

It would also open up the wider question of why, if you are going to do something about somebody who is on the list switching parties, you would not do it for a constituency member.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

If you were to go down that avenue, you would need to explore that as well.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It was not easy. I consulted, but I did not really have any answers—until I had a light-bulb moment. That sometimes happens to me—I come up with things.

I think that I have arrived at a solution—I am not saying that it is the only solution, but it is a solution. What I have proposed is a fair and proportionate solution. However, I accept that there will be different views on that; you might have a different view. I thought that the evidence that the minister gave on that last week was very good. He seemed to get what I am trying to achieve.

I am trying to be fair to everyone. It is really important that we treat regional and constituency members the same, as far as possible. We are talking about taking away somebody’s job, at the end of the day, and that is a big thing. That is why I have arrived at the system that I have arrived at. It is not possible to completely replicate the system for both types of member, but, as far as possible, I have tried to do that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

You are asking whether people should be able to disagree, and that is not an unreasonable proposal. Perhaps that could be explored at stage 2.