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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Morning, Mr Hebblethwaite. You mentioned the shareholder quite a bit. Was the shareholder putting pressure on you to do what you did?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

There is nothing unique about that. Many other companies have faced the same position and, to be frank, have taken a more honourable route than you have chosen.

Can I ask you about Grant Shapps? He has written to you, and the deputy convener mentioned earlier that Mr Shapps may be bringing in some law changes. If he does that, how will it affect your business?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

The changes could affect rates of pay. You said earlier that it is not about rates of pay, so presumably you will not be too concerned about that. Is that the case?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Move on, convener.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

I would not expect you to do that. I am trying to get to a point where we move on from our report and your response. The committee said that, when you use the made affirmative procedure, there should be a statement as to why you believe that the matter is urgent. In your response, you say:

“My view is that the Scottish Government already provides a clear explanation of its rationale for urgency”.

However, you go on to say that you are

“happy to work with the Committee to consider how that could be better codified in practice”.

I am keen to find out how we can work together to get to a point at which you provide something that is, in my view, better than what you do at the moment, and we have a proper explanation of why something is urgent.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

In my final question, I will go back to what I asked you about last week—the regulations to close school boarding and student accommodation. Last week, we spoke about your desire for that power to last for an extra six months, even though the Government has never used it. Now you want to have that power permanently. How do you justify having that power permanently when it has never been used or needed?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Having gone through the letter that the committee received from you yesterday, it seems to me that its general tone, and your view, appears to be that the Scottish Government is not doing much wrong in respect of the made affirmative procedure. Considering the committee’s report and the debate that we had in the chamber, I was—I will be honest—disappointed when I read the letter, as you do not seem to accept much of what the committee said. If you think that I have got that wrong, please say so.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

It can indeed, but it covers such a wide area. The Education, Children and Young People Committee has already taken evidence that included a view that some of the education provisions may be unlawful. If the bill goes through, you run the risk of facing legal challenge. Even if it was just a narrow legal challenge relating to the education part, the whole thing could fall. From my point of view, I do not like the bill, full stop. From your point of view, you want to get it through, but the whole thing could fall because you have decided to lump it together and there might be a legal challenge.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

We can maybe look at that.

A general question is that the bill covers a wide range of areas, from education, tenancy rights and justice to health matters. Why did you put all that in one bill and not split it up? Some things in the bill are quite far reaching. For example, on tenancy rights, you could argue that what is in the bill has nothing to do with public health and everything to do with tenancy rights and changing rental law in this country. Why not introduce a separate bill on that? Work is already going on in the area and consultations are out there. Why not do it in that way?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

You are in front of me and he is not. I am asking you about your bill.

I have two more short questions. I will put something to you because of your response to the convener’s question about the power to release people from prison early. He said—rightly—that that related just to Covid but that the rest of the bill is rather wider. I will read out something that you say in the delegated powers memorandum; I am not really commenting on it, but I found it curious. In your justification for using delegated powers, you say:

“In addition to Covid, there have been relatively recent outbreaks of new diseases, SARS and MERS, and instances of contamination, such as Salisbury.”

The Salisbury situation was limited to Salisbury. Why is that in there?