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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
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Meeting of the Parliament

Maternity Services

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Graham Simpson

I have listened to the previous debate and this debate with interest. The minister was not prepared to take any of my interventions earlier. I will take any of hers, if she is prepared to make them, because her earlier contribution was, in my view, tin eared. She was not listening. I say to the minister that, even now, she has an opportunity to say that she will reconsider and pause the plan. She won the vote earlier, but it is not binding—she can change her mind. As she closes the debate for the Government, she could say that she will reconsider and go back to the drawing board. That is exactly what she should do.

I congratulate Meghan Gallacher on securing this members’ business debate. However, it should not have been necessary. The plan to downgrade the neonatal intensive care unit in Wishaw has managed to provoke the ire of patients and staff. As we heard earlier, it has attracted 12,000 signatures on a petition that the Government is apparently ignoring. It would see babies who require specialist care being taken to Glasgow, Edinburgh or Aberdeen from Scotland’s third-largest health board area.

The staff at Wishaw are not just among the best—they are the best in the United Kingdom. Here is what one of them told me:

“Wishaw Neonatal unit are currently a level 3 unit, successfully managing care for the babies of Lanarkshire effectively, confidently and to a high standard. Our multi-disciplinary team won UK neonatal team of the year in 2023 & our care and success was evidenced on the Tiny Lives documentary.

We successfully manage our workload with a highly competent and skilled team of staff. It is a concern that downgrading will mean that we should stabilise babies that we are skilled at caring for, and transfer them to another hospital, to the detriment of staff, babies and families. I query how this is child or family-centred care and propose that it is financially or politically motivated and based on inaccurate data.”

Presiding Officer, this has been a deeply flawed process. The Scottish Government consultation fell short of being fair and inclusive, and it was in no way transparent. Decisions were made by the Scottish Government without representation from Lanarkshire on the board. No one from Lanarkshire was there, but other boards were fully represented. Why was that? Perhaps the minister could tell us. She could intervene on me now and explain that, but she does not want to. NHS Lanarkshire representation on the perinatal subgroup was only there until 2019, before the options appraisal process started. There was no local representation after that.

Data in the document is no longer relevant—it was, in fact, relevant only in 2015. The scoring system used has been called into question. It was weighted heavily on the ability to provide interventional care for rare congenital anomalies, most of which are picked up during pregnancy anyway and plans then put in place for delivery. Wishaw has specialist fetal medicine expertise for just that purpose.

The planned move could—and will—have a detrimental effect on NHS Lanarkshire, which could lose skilled staff to other areas. That is happening already, as we heard in the previous debate. It could also see mums being moved to other hospitals. Having a sick baby is a hugely traumatic situation for any parent. Earlier, we heard Mark Griffin speak movingly about that. It is completely senseless to move mums from their local area, including their support network of friends and family, and ask them to leave their other children, if they have them, when local care would be more appropriate, which it is.

This is not a plea or a campaign that is based on wanting to keep something local just for the sake of it. We say that the decision should be revisited, not because it sounds good but because it is the right thing to do for staff and, crucially, for mums, dads and their babies. The Government must think again and must not palm us off, as the minister tried to do earlier, with focus groups. That does not cut it.

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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

So, you are below capacity; you are not quite full up yet.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

Okay. I will leave it there. Thank you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

To summarise your answer, “We’ll do our best, but I can’t promise you.”

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

It sounds really sensible to me.

Can I ask about the remote balloting of jurors? Anyone who has been a juror or who knows people who have been jurors knows that it can be an enormous hassle—

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

Are people also told for how long, roughly, they will be needed on that jury?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

That is a concern. Do you think that you need more prisons?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

So, you have increased the capacity.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

Correct. This is the obvious next question: that requires an increase in staff, does it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Graham Simpson

Can you put a monetary figure on that?