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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Yes, convener, it is the same point really. Essentially, you are saying that we had a policy under which two-year-olds could access 1,140 hours but we had no way of letting their parents know about it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Let me quote Jonathan Broadbery, who is the NDNA’s director of policy and communications:

“Our members are telling us they have serious concerns about the sustainability and their ability to continue delivering funded early learning and childcare places. Our research into funding rates that providers are receiving from their local authority is not encouraging. Only three have increased their funding rates sufficiently to allow nurseries to be able to pay their delivery costs and we need to see the differential funding rates between council and partner providers addressed.”

If that is not addressed, we could see nurseries closing, could we not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

Auditor General, you have spelled out quite a number of stark statistics. The first of those, which you set out in the key facts section of your report, is that about one in four people experiences mental health problems in any given year. Given that we have already discussed the difficulty of getting data, how do we know that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

We cannot really say with any certainty that, in any given year, one in four people will suffer mental health problems. That would mean that, in this room, perhaps three or four people will suffer mental health problems this year. I just do not know how we could possibly know that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

What sort of question would you ask to arrive at that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

After all, this is pretty fundamental. What comes out very strongly in the report is the lack of data; a confused system that is slow and complicated; and the fact that people do not know where to go. Of course, mental health covers a wide range of things, but for many people, the first port of call could be the general practitioner. However, are GPs really set up to deal with this? It does not sound from your report as though they are.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

You have mentioned a few times the ambition for every GP practice to have a mental health specialist by 2026. Where are we now with that? Do we know?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

Full access.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

So, the cost of the medicine is falling, but the number of people using it may have risen.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Graham Simpson

But we want to get to the position where every practice has full access by 2026. There is clearly an awful long way to go.

I want to ask about one more area. In paragraph 16, which goes across two pages in the report, you refer to the number of police incidents relating to mental health. I am sure that most, if not all, MSPs will be speaking to their local police, and I have to say that, every time I speak to them, what always comes up is that the majority of their work is taken up with mental health cases. Indeed, I have heard quite stark figures ranging from 60 to 80 per cent.

In dealing with people with mental health issues, the police are being taken away from other duties. That is not the fault of the police or of the people with mental health issues, but it is a problem. Did you speak to the police about that? It is a serious issue out there.

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