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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

No, absolutely not—10 per cent is not enough to kick somebody out of a Parliament.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

If the person won the recall vote, I guess that they would sit as an independent.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Let us deal with the financial element first. Obviously, there have been conflicting views—the figures that I have put forward are different from the Government’s figures. I will bring in Ben McKendrick, who did a lot of work on that. He can perhaps explain how we arrived at those figures.

09:45  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Some of that will be left to regulations—indeed, quite a lot of the bill allows the Government to make regulations. If we are talking about regional provision, I have said that there should be up to 10 signing places. Ben, am I right in saying that it is up to 10 across the region?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes—up to 10 in each constituency. It does not have to be 10, but it could be up to 10, and it is obviously important that those are in the right places. Clearly, I will not set out in a bill where signing places should be; that could be left to regulations.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

They have.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It has certainly caused me to think about it, but I have arrived at the same conclusion, which is that it is important that, in the first step of signing the petition, we examine the strength of feeling in the constituency or region. If the petition were stopped once it reached the threshold of 10 per cent of those eligible to sign, we would not really know what the feeling was.

There might be an overwhelming number—let us say 90 per cent, although I do not think that it would ever get to that—of people in a constituency or region saying that there should be a recall vote, which would send a message to the member who was the subject of the petition that the game was up and they might not want to push it any further. If the petition were just closed at 10 per cent, we would never know. That is why I think that it is important that we do not stop it at 10 per cent.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Well, 10 per cent is the threshold, but it is important to get the actual figure, and that is why I would not stop it at 10 per cent. I understand the argument and I have considered it. It would be cheaper, and if saving money is the aim, we could stop a recall petition at 10 per cent. However, it gives the electorate a chance to have their say and it is important that we know what the figure is.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It does come at a cost. Mention has already been made of the price of democracy—I suppose that that is what it is. Although I hope that that price never has to be paid, I am sure that, at some point, it will be paid. We need to have a recall system in Scotland, and that will come at a cost.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes—as Ms Webber says, it is human nature. Unfortunately, at some point, there will be somebody who just decides that they are not going to come in. The proposal does not target people who have valid reasons not to be here.

I would think that, if you yourself were going to be off for any period, you would probably go and see Ms Mackay and explain why you could not come in, and it would go no further. If she is the caring individual that I think she is, she would say, “Well, that’s okay. Don’t come in for however long you need.” I think that that is probably the way that it would work. However, if someone thinks that they are going to be off for an extended period, for whatever reason, I do not think that it is unreasonable for them to tell the parliamentary authorities that that is the case and to explain why. I trust the parliamentary authorities not to leak that. I trust people in this Parliament to keep things private.

10:30