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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Goodness. Thank you for that.

My final question is on general financial sustainability indicators, which I ask you both to comment on. In Scotland, our Improvement Service publishes those to guide us. Are the financial sustainability indicators, which, collectively, we all use, fit for purpose? Do we need to think differently about what financial sustainability should look like in the medium to long term? What measures should we introduce to get a better and more rounded picture of what we need to know?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Thanks very much to both of you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Good morning. I will start with you, Jo. The committee often hears extremely different points of view depending on who is sitting in your chairs, particularly about local government finances. The Improvement Service benchmarking framework seems to present a more positive picture of local government finances, certainly in terms of debt management and healthy reserves, but on the other hand we hear from our colleagues in the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities about how serious the position is. Why is there such a divergence in opinion when in essence we are talking about the same thing—local government finance?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Would you see yourselves recommending some kind of consistent, standardised way of describing the issue? Would you ask the Government to formalise it so that we do not continue to get a varying picture, depending on which council we talk to? Would that be a useful tool?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

My other question is about capital funding. Do councils have any mechanisms open to them for capital funding, other than capital grants, borrowing, and so forth? Are there any other measures that they may be able to deploy locally so that they can deliver?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Do you know whether many councils are deploying that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

We can perhaps follow up on that if we get an opportunity later.

I come back to the audit function. You mentioned a few times that the Audit Commission in England was disbanded in 2015. How much may that decision have led to the problems that the English councils in particular have faced? We know that audit has not disappeared—the audit function is prevalent at every level of local government. Why, therefore, when the Audit Commission disappeared in 2015, did that lead to the circumstances that we have discussed unfolding in England? Alternatively, would you say that it had nothing to do with that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

That was a really thorough explanation, Abdool. While you were giving it, I was wondering why the internal audit function in Woking, which was mentioned in a previous example, did not wake up earlier to the prospect that it was about to go £2 billion into the red. What was happening there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

I do not want to pick on poor old Woking, but were that council’s financial stability indicators not ringing alarm bells during the process of racking up a £2 billion pound deficit? Did it have any indicators that might have alerted it to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Willie Coffey

I will drag us back to heat pumps for a wee moment. Murdo Fraser led some questions on heat pumps and why we are significantly off track, for which there are probably a number of reasons. When I talk to my constituents, they tell me that the quality of the information that they get is not enough and that they do not get assurance. The cost of heat pumps is a factor, because electricity is much more expensive than gas. There are a number of reasons why people are not making the switch, despite reasonable efforts to put grant money on the table.

What do you think will prompt a significant transition, particularly in private residential homes in Scotland, where persuading people to make the shift is still a huge problem? Could Scotland’s councils play a role in that? I think that a House of Lords committee made that recommendation. I could not imagine quoting a House of Lords report in the Scottish Parliament, but it could be sensible for Scotland’s councils to take a leading role, if they were able to do so. People might trust advice from their local authority, particularly if they were involved in the transition process. What key ingredients would ramp up the transition to heat pumps on the kind of scale that we really need if we are to get anywhere near the standards?