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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Willie Coffey

It is a recurring issue that, when the committee considers any project, it often finds that, if the project goes wrong at the beginning, it is unlikely to work at the end, as insufficient rigour was applied at the outset. Not applying quality standards to milestones seems to committee members to be a major issue.

Paragraph 138 of the Auditor General’s report told us that

“some of the 1,400 cables”

installed on the first boat

“were too short”.

It is amazing to members of the committee and, perhaps, the public that that was not discovered and not reported to the Parliament until the turnaround director was involved in 2022. How on earth can something like that happen? How can cables that are too short go unseen and unnoticed for nearly four years and cause a significant delay? I connect that directly with the application of quality standards and inspection. Why was that missing in this case?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Willie Coffey

Should it not? It is ridiculous to be unable to challenge the fact that cables are too short on a boat and for that to remain the position for four years until somebody else—the turnaround director—comes on the scene to identify it. Surely, we must be considering that. I am aware that the observation reports were a mechanism to raise and highlight issues. In essence, they are change requests in the quality world, and the builder might or might not have carried them out. Surely to goodness that needs to be strengthened.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Willie Coffey

I have a supplementary question on the convener’s line of questioning, Mr Brannen. Is the extent to which some parties are placing an emphasis on paper trails and the recording of decisions a fair reflection of how the Government works in practice? Are we dealing with the unmet expectations of some people or with failures to deliver on requirements? Which side of that line are we on? The issue has been a recurring one for the committee, and others, for some time.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Willie Coffey

Do all parties accept the point that the Auditor General made about the cables being too short, or is there some dispute about that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Willie Coffey

I have a supplementary to my colleague, Craig Hoy’s, question.

Mr Brannen, you have heard the convener raising issues about the decision-making process and record keeping. You have also heard Craig Hoy highlighting proper consideration of risk, which is central to some of the issues that we are facing. In your view, were the issues that have been raised about those two areas sufficient to have invited the Government to reach a different decision about procurement of the vessels?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Willie Coffey

Had the Government not proceeded with the procurement of the vessels, what would have been the impact and outcome?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Willie Coffey

Did even the builder accept that they were too short?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Willie Coffey

I do not know who sets the criteria that assessors use. Are market conditions part of their consideration? If not, should they be? You can imagine a situation in which rateable values go up and up but a lot of shops on all our high streets might remain closed. It does not seem to make sense that the RV would increase if local economic circumstances pointed us in a different direction.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Willie Coffey

I want to ask about the wider issues that apply and the criteria that assessors use to set rateable values. You have clearly explained that assessors will provide a set of equivalent or adjacent addresses on which the assessment was based. Are current economic circumstances ever a factor in the equation? You can imagine a scenario in which adjacent shops are shut. In that case, why should a rateable value go up, and how does that represent market value, as opposed to there being an assessment of the practical circumstances that are evident in a local economy?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Willie Coffey

Okay. Thanks for that.