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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Willie Coffey

Morag McNeill, I hope to get into this issue about quality and the statement in CMAL’s submission that says quite clearly:

“CMAL consider that the primary cause of the Vessels’ delay and associated cost overrun is a catastrophic contractor failure between October 2015 and August 2019.”

We were beginning to get into that territory during Colin Beattie’s questioning. Could you explain to the committee why you are using such strong words, and could you offer the committee a few examples to justify those comments?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s economy: supporting businesses through the Covid-19 pandemic”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

Thanks for now. I hope to come back in later.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s economy: supporting businesses through the Covid-19 pandemic”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

I will switch the focus of our discussion to look at equalities, societal issues and so on. Your report reminds us that, in April 2020, at the start of the pandemic, the Government identified four harms that it described as direct health impacts, indirect health impacts, societal impacts and economic impacts. Could you tell us a bit more about that? Are you able to say whether the Government stuck to those four key themes in its decision-making process throughout the pandemic to ensure that those particular areas of concern were adequately covered by the funding support that came through?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Social security: Progress on implementing the devolved benefits”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

Will you continue to monitor the development as it goes forward?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s economy: supporting businesses through the Covid-19 pandemic”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

Yes. Thanks, convener.

As the various support schemes developed, we were all aware of their huge impact on hospitality, leisure and culture. All those sectors were really hammered, and they desperately needed funding support. However, do you remember what happened with the wholesale sector? That sector was technically allowed to continue trading, but it had nobody to trade with because everything that it traded with was closed down. What is your sense of that and whether we got that right?

I also recall that people were missed out when one scheme came along. We even thought of having a scheme for those who were not in the scheme. I got the sense that we did not quite know how to resolve those types of issues. What is your sense of whether, on balance, we got the decision-making process right to support the sectors that desperately needed help?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s economy: supporting businesses through the Covid-19 pandemic”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

I have one final question on this area. In exhibit 3, Auditor General, the chart shows that, during the pandemic and from August last year, Scottish Government spend was outpacing the consequentials that were coming in. What was the reason for that? Was it the end of furlough schemes? Did we continue to try to provide support in that regard? What is the reason for the Scottish Government’s consistent additional spend over the past year?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s economy: supporting businesses through the Covid-19 pandemic”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

The differential was about £1.3 billion, so we will see in the Scottish Government’s assessment where exactly that extra spend went?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s economy: supporting businesses through the Covid-19 pandemic”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

Has that been put to the Government? Do you expect to see that when the Government finalises its report and assessment of Covid support spending?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Social security: Progress on implementing the devolved benefits”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

Could you talk to us a wee bit more about the systems development aspect of this? You will recall—and members will recall—that, at the outset of this project, which was in the previous session of Parliament, there were some concerns about the software systems development side of it, because of our previous experiences. It is fair to say that this project has gone particularly well. The Agile methodology has been deployed. Although it was deployed in another area that you mentioned and was not so successful, this one has gone very well. It is so complex. Can you unpick why this particular methodology and this particular project have gone so well compared to predecessors that we have other experience of?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Social security: Progress on implementing the devolved benefits”

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Willie Coffey

It is good practice for software development and software engineering to deliver what the client actually wants, and no more. It is a crucial feature of Agile that you do not do more than you need to.

Stephen Boyle, you have mentioned a few times that there are trade-offs with that particular methodology, so there may be parts of the system development that have been set aside. Will we ever need to implement them? Are the solutions that we are getting now likely to be permanent solutions or will we keep having to backtrack and improve and develop and so on and so forth as the project develops?