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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

So, it is the OBR’s assumptions that we need to look at in detail.

My hope would be that, across these islands, everyone who is entitled to benefits gets them, because, ultimately, that is best for society. If that was going to happen, it might be the OBR’s—

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

But this is something that the Parliament makes a decision on each year—that is, how much of the whole budget we think that it is appropriate to spend in an area.

That brings me to the question of how you got the figure of £770 million, because it is important that we understand the working behind that. When we set up Social Security Scotland in this Parliament, we did so with a different ethos, and everyone in the Parliament was clear that we wanted these benefits to be paid to everyone who was entitled to them. If that figure is £141 million more than the money that is coming through Barnett consequentials, it is because this Parliament decided that it should be.

The question is this: what assumptions have you made on the £770 million in relation to what is happening in the rest of the UK? Is the assumption that the rest of the UK will continue with a system that does not give these benefits to everyone who is entitled to them and does not aim to give all disabled people who are entitled to the personal independence payment—as it is elsewhere—their benefit? Is your assumption that that will continue?

I represent the great city of Dundee; lots of my constituents work for Social Security Scotland, and lots of them used to work for DWP. I am not quoting anybody, but I hear that the difference between the two approaches is night and day. Before, success was cutting somebody’s benefits; now, success is making sure that people get the benefit that they are entitled to. Therefore, what assumptions did you make about the UK benefits system in order to get to the figure of £770 million?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I am keen to ask about waiting times. We have had some evidence about people’s experiences, but can the panel give us their thoughts on the impact of waiting for a diagnosis on individuals and on their families? Can you say a little bit about whether there is good practice, particularly if there is a waiting time? Can things be done during that period, and do some areas do that well in spite of having waiting times?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you. Dani Cosgrove, do you want to add anything?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Good morning. You almost came on to the area that I want to talk about, because I am interested in training and understanding in a wider context. We know that GPs are the gatekeepers, but everyone interacts with a lot more folk in public life and across society. Is there something that we or the Scottish Government could do to address some of the misinformation that is out there, and the stigma and discriminatory attitudes that neurodivergent people experience?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Let us get the elephant sorted. If we have made a mistake, the committee has not done that deliberately and it would be good to hear what the preferred terminology is.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

That is really helpful for us. It sounds like just a few letters and a word, but it is deeper than that. You expressed the difference between saying “a person with autism” and an “autistic person”, and you explained it really clearly. That is helpful for the committee and it is something for us to consider. This session is clearly a bit of training for us, in the wider sense.

The whole morning has been really good and the evidence has been helpful to us. How can we get that discussion going in wider society and particularly in public services? Everyone who works in public services will come across autistic people daily. How do we make sure that more people understand the right words to use and what will make a difference to ensure that someone who is autistic has a more positive experience? It will then be a more positive experience for the people on both sides of the conversation or transaction.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I do not know whether Matthew Day or Kabie Brook want to add anything, but I am conscious that we are running short of time, convener.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

We have heard in evidence that organisations, employers and public services sometimes do not use the right language, and that the language that is used reinforces the discrimination and stigma. I want to give you an opportunity to say how that can be rectified. Do you have any thoughts on how we can improve that situation?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

ADHD and ASD Pathways and Support

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

We can cover that now.