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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 February 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Non-surgical Procedures and Functions of Medical Reviewers (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Should the age be 21 rather than 18?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Non-surgical Procedures and Functions of Medical Reviewers (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Okay. Thank you very much.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

That is helpful. Your report is clear about where things are modelled or not, which is helpful, but I felt that that should be put on the record.

This is my final question. The recommendations at the start of the report are all about transparency. Have you had any response from the Government?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you, convener—you have covered a lot of what I was wanting to cover.

I am finding it incredibly difficult to grasp, in terms of governance, how all three of you could think that it is okay that there was not a budget. A budget is not just an ideal circumstance; it is something to work to, and it is about transparency. If there had been a budget that was clear on what you were doing to reduce the deficit but that there would still be a deficit, at least there would have been that transparency. At least you would have been working to something that was in line with the financial regulations that you are covered by. Is it honestly the case that nobody on the board thought there was anything wrong, and that nobody said, “Wait a minute, we have not done the budget”? Really?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Okay. Thank you very much.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

You all had a legal responsibility.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Iain Wishart talked about how difficult things were, and I get it, but you were faced with calculations saying that there is such a big deficit. Not to put that down and create a budget that tries to reduce that deficit is incredible. Iain, you talked about having to consult. Surely that should have been started in 2022 when you started realising that there was a deficit, and I guess that that is when you should have been starting to prepare the budget in order to square it.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Convener, I do not think any of us has been suggesting that this is easy to do, but I think Mr Watson has articulated why a budget would have been so important.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I will follow up on some of Colin Beattie’s questions, which covered some areas I would have liked to go into—that has saved me a bit of time.

Your report includes a lot of tables that are very clearly labelled as modelling. Those tables are often taken as expressing fact by others, but that is not the case. You mentioned exhibit 10, which is very clearly labelled

“modelled impact of behavioural change”.

However, we can look at some of the facts. Just yesterday or today, we received the figures for population increase in Scotland last year. Last year, the population of Scotland went up to 5.55 million—the highest figure ever—and most of the migration came from the rest of the UK. So, we are now seeing that, when folk look at the whole basket of changes in taxation and other life changes, the behavioural change is that, on balance, people are choosing to move to Scotland.

That is there in the population figures, but it is not reflected in the modelling that we are seeing from others. That is fine, because I guess that, sometimes, there has to be a cautious approach, but when would we see those figures coming through into what that population increase has meant in terms of more people living and working in Scotland and Scotland having a higher employment rate than the rest of the UK? We have a challenge in that London and the south-east are different from everywhere else—they are effectively overheated—so, when we compare Scotland with the rest of the UK, we are actually really comparing Scotland with that overheated part of the rest of the UK.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

It still sounds pretty incredible that you did not put something down on paper as an actual budget.