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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
I get all that, and although that answer is very helpful, I am slightly concerned that work that landowners are doing anyway and that has a cost to it will be subsumed under what will be a new endeavour for the land management plan, and that it will be quantified as a cost of the new endeavour rather than an on-going cost that exists anyway, as Mr Carlow has outlined.
Mr Clark, it sounds to me as though those tens of thousands of pounds are moneys that will be spent anyway on all the things that we would expect responsible large landowners to do as a matter of course. Will you say more about what happens already and whether there is a cost to that? Are we perhaps double-counting some of the costs?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
I want to ask a little about how we identify breaches in land management plans. The commission has recommended that the proposed new land and communities commissioner should have the power to instigate investigations into potential breaches resulting from a lack of a proper community consultation and engagement process. It has also recommended that the commissioner also have a more general power to instigate its own investigations, irrespective of who can or cannot report a breach, if the new commissioner is aware that there are reasonable grounds that there has been a breach about any matter to do with land management plans, and not specifically to do with a consultation. I would like Mr Carlow’s initial views on that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
I do not want to put words in your mouth, but are you, in effect, saying that, although it is perfectly good to award the power, because of the resource that an individual commissioner might have their ability to use it might be pretty limited?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
Are all other witnesses okay with that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
So, the new commissioner does not have to be involved in conflict; they can do some proactive work to build relationships.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
It seems that there is no resistance to that. It seems to be commonsense stuff, as long as it is all proportionate.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
That is helpful. Over the past few evidence sessions, I have tried to paint the role of the proposed new commissioner as being more proactive, their resources permitting. Of course, Mr Carlow, that could help to drive up standards for land management plans, because there could be breaches. Although those breaches may not be wilful, it could be that expertise is still being acquired around the development and implementation of land management plans, including in community engagement. If resources permit, should sample inspections take place on a thematic basis, not with a view to identifying and prosecuting breaches but with a view to identifying weaknesses in delivery, which would help to drive up standards? Would it be helpful for the commissioner to have a proactive power to do more thematic work?
11:45Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
I will resist asking further questions about that, Mr Clark, because of the time pressure. Mr Carlow, do you have any reflections on the points that I made?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
I will ask the same question that I asked the previous witnesses on the affordability of a good-quality land management plan. When Mr Carlow gave the forestry example, he helpfully said, “That is just good management”—that is what I have written down—in relation to engagement with communities, good stewardship of the land and the relationship in that regard. A lot of the things that we are talking about are things that a good landowner would be doing anyway, but they would be drawn together in one place, so I genuinely cannot comprehend how it would cost many tens of thousands of pounds to do something that, as nearly all the witnesses have said, good-quality landowners would be doing anyway. Something does not quite compute. Mr Carlow, what are your views on that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Bob Doris
Thank you. I will go to Tara Wight first with this question, as it is easy to forget that we have a witness online, and I want to make sure that we do not do that.
My question is about identifying breaches in land management plans. You will know that the Land Commission suggested that the new land and communities commissioner should be able to instigate an investigation into potential breaches of community engagement obligations within the drawing up of a land management plan. It also suggested that there should be a more general power for the new commissioner to act where they think that there are reasonable grounds to suspect a breach of any kind with a land management plan, irrespective of whether there has been a complaint. What are your views on that?