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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Bob Doris

You have just got your point on the record, so job done.

I should say that I am neither supporting nor denouncing the 4 per cent policy, but a reduction of 30 to 50 per cent seems at odds with the Climate Change Committee and its recommendation of a 6 per cent reduction. What do you think is a realistic reduction? I am not asking for the reduction that you would wish for but the reduction that you think would be realistic, practical and deliverable. That is at the heart of the issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Bob Doris

That was helpful, and it was important to put that on the record. However, I do not want to misinterpret your comments, Professor Davis. Are you suggesting that, although you would like the target to go much further, you think that 6 per cent is a reasonable and achievable reduction?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Bob Doris

I am looking at the witnesses on the monitors, too. Does anyone want to come in? Perhaps someone who has not had the opportunity to contribute might wish to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Child Poverty Strategy

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. As there are no more questions, I thank the cabinet secretary and Julie Humphreys for their support of our evidence session this morning. That concludes our public business, and I move the meeting into private.

09:37 Meeting continued in private until 10:56.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Child Poverty Strategy

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Bob Doris

I will follow up on the two-child limit later, so I will not explore that further.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Child Poverty Strategy

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Bob Doris

Our next item of business is an evidence session on the recently published UK child poverty strategy, “Our Children, Our Future—Tackling Child Poverty.”

Before I begin, I wish to say a few words. I wrote to the Secretary of State for Scotland on 4 November to invite him to give oral evidence, either in person or online, on the UK Government’s child poverty strategy. A number of follow-up emails were sent seeking a response to our invitation. Last week, the secretary of state’s office confirmed that he was unable to give oral evidence and that he would provide written evidence instead. It is disappointing to receive a response so late.

Although we welcome written evidence, members will not have the opportunity to ask the secretary of state about the content of that evidence. We are keen to work with the UK Government on this important issue and I hope that, going forward, we can work together to eradicate child poverty in Scotland.

With that on the record, I welcome to the meeting Shirley-Anne Somerville, the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, and Julie Humphreys, director of tackling child poverty and social justice from the Scottish Government. I thank you both for joining us and invite the cabinet secretary to make some brief opening remarks.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Child Poverty Strategy

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you, cabinet secretary. There was a lot in that opening statement and I will begin with the positives. As you indicated, the rate of child poverty in Scotland has been falling but you have characterised the UK strategy as broadly stabilising the current very high level of child poverty found elsewhere in the UK, rather than driving it down. You suggested that there was positive and constructive engagement when engagement with the UK Government and UK task force began in October 2024. Can you say a little more about the positive and constructive engagement at that time?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Child Poverty Strategy

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Bob Doris

You have described the engagement that did happen as being “transactional” but it is good that engagement took place. Did that happen at both ministerial and official level?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Child Poverty Strategy

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Bob Doris

Cabinet secretary, we are approaching the end of our evidence session, but I might just finish off where we started, which was on the on-going dialogue with the UK Government. For whatever reason, that appeared to dry up and the bilateral discussions did not happen.

What is your preference, cabinet secretary? Is it for a four-nation approach to tackling child poverty, so that we can draw on the experience of Wales and Northern Ireland, share best practice and have open and honest discussions about what various Governments think works and does not work? If there are disagreements, that is okay, but it is important to be clear about your preferred approach. Is it about sharing best practice and continuing that conversation, or was it the bilateral approach suggested by the UK Government that did not happen in the end? What would you like to see happen, cabinet secretary?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Child Poverty Strategy

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Bob Doris

I will roll my next two questions into one because I know that my colleagues wish to come in. The Scottish Government advocated some policies to the UK Government as being able to make a real difference. Did you see any of those policies reflected in the strategy published by the UK Government? Are you still in the dark about why the dialogue suddenly stopped?