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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 7 November 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

Does anyone else want to comment on that? I will bring in someone chosen randomly. I saw Kirsty Morrison indicate first.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

Does anyone have any further comments?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

Not to absolutely everybody.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

I will first invite Murdo Fraser to ask a question. I apologise.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

I promise that we will get to you, Mr McAteer, but Mr Robertson’s responses seem to have inspired lots of supplementary questions. Michelle Campbell has one, too.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the sixth meeting in session 7 of the Public Service Reform Committee. Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Are we agreed to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

Okay—you have put that on the record. I am sure that colleagues will explore that further.

Let me turn to Kirsty Morrison. I found Chest Heart & Stroke Scotland’s submission interesting because it speaks about issues with “systems and culture” around data. I do not want to look at data in particular, but, as part of those issues, you also highlight referral pathways. You explicitly mention that the

“different systems across 14 health boards, 32 local authorities and 30 integrated joint boards”

theoretically cost you, in the time that your workforce spends in navigating those systems, almost a quarter of a million pounds each year. Could you say a bit more about that? Again, I want to ask a balanced question about what opportunities there are in the restructuring that has been suggested, but also about where the pitfalls could be.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

I promised that we would get to you, Mr McAteer. The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service has gone through quite a significant period of reform over the last decade plus. Are there any lessons to be learned with regard to the Scottish Government’s move from 14 health boards to two? What challenges did the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service face and overcome in relation to its reforms?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

Before we close the evidence session, I have a couple of brief questions for Mr Robertson. The Scottish Government’s budget is going to be marked for the first time with preventative spend taggings. When that budget flows down to local authorities, will they be expecting budget lines that will have “preventative” written beside them? I know that IJBs do a lot of that kind of stuff, but does Scottish Borders Council have any tagging or marking of preventative spend pounds? That would enable us to join the dots between what is at a national level and a local authority level.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Bob Doris

That leads me to the other side of the coin. When I first came to Parliament—it was a long time ago now—getting rid of ring fencing and bundling budgets was the big thing for the Scottish Government. There is a tension between national priorities and local democracy. Now, we might be swinging back towards there being as little ring fencing as possible and more freedom for local authorities, whatever those local authorities look like. With regard to the budgets that will run down to a local authority level, can you say anything, Mr Robertson, about where more freedom in how the local authority can spend that money, through the removal of ring fencing, might be of benefit, whether that be in terms of preventative spend or just helping to enable local authority reform, whatever that might look like?