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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

It will be a brief line of questioning, because I am mopping up some of the questions that three of my colleagues have had the opportunity to ask before we moved on to two subsequent themes.

Before he moved on to ask about another matter, Mr Marra sought additional information from the witnesses in order for us to best represent them when we make our asks of Government during the budget process. We should be clear that that is not how the budget process works. This committee could make recommendations to Government about additional funds for the sector, but we would also have to say from where that money should be taken. It is important to put that on record rather that raise expectations about things that the committee cannot deliver.

I want to explore the differential between the local authority sector and the PVI sector. I am conscious that there are on-going pay award negotiations for local government employees for 2022-23, which I think include childcare workers. If I have my numbers right, the offer that is currently on the table would see an award for some of the lowest-paid childcare workers in local authorities—those on the real living wage—of around 9.43 per cent.

10:30  

In setting the PVI sector hourly rate, what modelling work does each local authority do to ensure that the PVI sector can pay the 10.1 per cent uplift in the real living wage? Can you share that information with the committee and say how you ensure that that can happen? So far, we have intentions for sustainability in the sector, but we cannot see how that will be done. Will Wendy Brownlie say a little about the pending pay award for 2022-23 for educationalists in the early years in her local authority and how that washes through to the PVI sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

I know that me asking brief questions is an oxymoron, convener, but I will try to keep this one brief.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

It lets us know that that is not with the local authority right now, so it is helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

Okay. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

I would like to check something. How do those providers know that they are financially viable if they do not know what the uplift in the hourly rate is going to be before they submit to work in partnership with you? Surely that has to be co-produced.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

It sounds as though there is quite substantive and meaningful dialogue going on. The sector might not be getting everything that it wants and it might still be dissatisfied, but there seems to be on-going meaningful dialogue. Are all three local authorities committed to closing the pay differentials between the local authority sector and the PVI sector? I appreciate that all the evidence suggests that, financially, it will not be possible to completely close the gap, but is there a commitment year in, year out to narrow it? If so, how will you monitor that and, if not, why not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Bob Doris

Do you have that discussion ahead of setting the hourly rates?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Bob Doris

I have a few questions. One of the purposes of the cross-party group is

“to preserve, promote and encourage the use of the Scots Language amongst MSPs, the wider Scottish Parliament and Scottish Society.”

When this kind of matter is raised, we all start thinking about wir own background and upbringing, and about wir own language, dialect, slang, Scots—whatever. I am thinking about that now, and I wonder whether we are using Scots in everyday conversational exchanges in this place and beyond and do not even know that we are doing it. It is sometimes about raising awareness.

It would be very contrived to give examples, so I will not do that. Is there a need for awareness raising among people who stay in Scotland who use everyday Scots? Would this help to identify that? It is not about educating people in how to use Scots, because many people use it anyway but simply are not aware that they do.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Bob Doris

The sheer extent of the potential membership is very encouraging. I have no more questions.