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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Bob Doris

It is good that you have agreed that it would be helpful for the bill if employment law were devolved to this Parliament. For completeness, can I check what your view is on the devolution of health and safety law?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Bob Doris

I am a bit confused, Mr Griffin. I will ask my question one more time, after which I will not pursue the point. We are talking at cross-purposes, which was not my intention.

I want to capture something really good about the proposed legislation, irrespective of whether it is in your bill or in anything that the Scottish Government might introduce instead. If the Scottish Parliament, as a statutory body, identifies deficiencies in the workplace where we could do more to prevent ill health or disease, and if that overlaps with employment law and health and safety legislation, should the body be able to make recommendations on such legislation?

I will not ask again whether that should sit within the Parliament’s competence, because we were not getting anywhere on that point, but should the body be able to make recommendations in relation to those two matters?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Bob Doris

I will not test the convener’s patience any further. Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Bob Doris

The final point that I will make is that we heard last week that the reason for some of the delay was the prioritisation of the Scottish child payment in this Parliament, which led to slippage elsewhere. I suspect that the Government’s proposal is being introduced now given the tight timetables that Government is on, which Mr Griffin mentioned. Now would be the time to do it. Nonetheless, I take on board the points that Mr Griffin made.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Bob Doris

Thank you. Our committee will, of course, pursue that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Bob Doris

I have a supplementary on the convener’s questions, but I first want to ask briefly about something that you said in your last answer, Mr Griffin, just for a bit of clarity. You mentioned increasing entitlement and recommendations. Do you mean recommendations on changing the eligibility criteria to increase entitlement, or do you mean scientific and wider evidence that the threshold has been met and that certain conditions and categories in the workforce should receive the benefit? Are you talking about changing the eligibility criteria or about scientific and wider expert evidence that the eligibility criteria and threshold have been met?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Bob Doris

I apologise for cutting across you, but it is worth noting that the Health and Safety Executive would not come to give oral evidence to the committee. Also, the HSE’s written evidence is pretty incomplete and insubstantial, although it mentions the fact that it has a pretty close working relationship with IIAC. Therefore, it would need to have a pretty close working relationship with SEIAC or whatever was put in place in Scotland. However, the HSE is pretty much silent on that and will not give a view on it, so I am a bit dissatisfied.

My line of questioning is not about criteria and eligibility for a new benefit; it is about the preventative work. If research and evidence at a granular level were to make a compelling argument for employment law or health and safety legislation to be changed on preventative grounds, should the proposed body not have the power to make pretty strong recommendations on that? Would it not be helpful if those powers sat in the Scottish Parliament? That is the essence of my questioning.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Bob Doris

It is really helpful to hear that that is already in the Government’s thinking. It sounds as if the convener and the minister might be in agreement for once.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Bob Doris

On Monica Lennon’s questions about SCIAF’s call to amend the bill, I pushed SCIAF quite hard last week about what that would mean in practice. How can we do due diligence for public sector and corporate supply chains, considering the nature of full supply chain procurement, which could be global? There could be human rights implications. What would that mean in practice? SCIAF seemed to admit that it would be hugely difficult, but that is not a reason not to have it as an objective or to put it in a strategy, although we would have to be realistic about what we could do. I just wanted to put that on the record. Does that make you minded more to move in that direction, but with a great deal of realism about what we could achieve? It would be difficult, but that is not a reason not to try.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Bob Doris

Hi, minister. We are living with the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020. That is just a reality, irrespective of the different views around the committee table. How do you envisage that the new powers in the bill—in particular, on single-use charges and the disposal of unsold goods—could interact with that act?