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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

Thanks for making that comment. I hope that you will appreciate that it is our job to scrutinise all aspects of the bill, so we make no judgment on any of this; we need to ask the questions to come to an informed decision, as a committee. Your comments are helpful to the committee.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

Mike Corbett has indicated that he would like to come in on that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

I am deliberately leaving a pause for a volunteer.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

The next item is stage 1 evidence on the Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill. In previous meetings, we heard from two panels of witnesses, and we will hear from a further two panels today.

This member’s bill was introduced by Mark Griffin on 8 June 2023 and is currently going through stage 1 with our committee. The bill would create a Scottish employment injuries advisory council to advise the Scottish ministers on employment injuries assistance. The proposed council would have three functions: to report and draft regulations for employment injuries assistance, replacing the Scottish Commission on Social Security in that area; to report to the Parliament and ministers on any matter relevant to employment injuries assistance; and to carry out, commission, or support research into any matter relevant to employment injuries assistance.

I welcome our first panel. Norman Provan, Scotland’s associate director, employment relations, Royal College of Nursing, and Linda Somerville, deputy general secretary, Scottish Trades Union Congress, are joining us in person this morning. Good morning to you both. I also wish a very good morning to our three witnesses who are joining us online: Mike Corbett, national official, NASUWT; Lorna Glen, regional officer, Unite the Union, Scotland; and John McKenzie, regional secretary, Scotland, Fire Brigades Union.

There are a few points to mention about this morning’s proceedings. Please wait for me or the member asking the question to say your name before you come in to speak. Do not feel that you have to answer every single question—if you have nothing to add to what has been said by others, there is no requirement to say anything. I am not trying to dissuade you from speaking but, given that we have five witnesses, it is just a matter of time constraints.? Please allow our broadcasting colleagues a few seconds to turn on your microphone before you start speaking.??

For witnesses who are online, if you want to answer a question, please indicate that with an R in the chat box in Zoom and the clerking staff will make sure that I am aware of that and can give you the opportunity to come in. I ask everyone to keep questions and answers as concise as possible—I note that I include myself in that.

Our first theme is the membership of the proposed SEIAC. I will open the questions. Does the bill give SEIAC the right balance of scientific expertise and other interests among its members? I will go to our online witnesses in the first instance because the default is usually to go to the people in the room. I will go to Mike Corbett first.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

Before we move on, I have a question that I asked the previous panel because it came up during last week’s evidence. There was a suggestion that it would be important to have a strong link with occupational health in order to be able to collect data, identify trends at an early stage and do proactive work. No one on the previous panel particularly jumped at that suggestion. We heard last week that there would be a greater role for occupational health. Would anyone here commend that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

Thank you. Tony Higgins, do you want to come in?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

Paul O’Kane, do you have any more questions?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

We are almost there. I hope that Mike Corbett, who made the comment about teachers’ pay, will not mind me saying that the money for that was found and it did not come from anywhere else. I moved to this committee from the Education, Children and Young People Committee, and I know that the £26 million to pay for the teachers’ pay award in the current financial year came specifically from the colleges budget—the colleges lost £26 million in the current financial year.

I merely leave that sitting there—I do not want to open up a wider debate, but I think that that is relevant to Mr Mason’s line of questioning and to Linda Somerville’s points in relation to how we use wider taxation powers not just in this place but at a UK level, because there are Barnett consequentials coming here.

I absolutely get that the witnesses today have tried to articulate passionately and clearly what the right thing to do is in relation to the safety of workers across Scotland. It is for the politicians to look in a bit more detail at how that could be financed.

I thank you all for your important evidence this morning. That is the end of the evidence session, and I suspend the meeting briefly while we prepare for the next panel of witnesses.

10:02 Meeting suspended.  

10:04 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

Yes.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Bob Doris

Tony Higgins, you were cautious when you came in earlier. You talked about a period of 10 to 20 years. This is an appropriate time to bring yourself in.