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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

Okay. In the exchange with the convener about what was in the tender for the two ferries that will shortly be completed, the convener made the point that we are paying more and getting less. I want some clarity around that.

David, you said that the tender was for up to 1,000 seats but that it did not have to be 1,000 seats. Can you confirm what was in the original tender document? Also, if I can roll all this together, you said that the number of seats was reduced to 926 because of other work that had to be done on fire safety, evacuation and different things, but your client requested 852 seats. I just want to be clear that the client is still getting the seating capacity that it requires and that, technically, there is some flexibility to add a small amount of additional seating if need be. Have I captured that correctly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I am not pushing anything. I am happy to be told I am wrong.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

That is fine. Is the overall tonnage the same? What I got from your exchange—and this is what I want clarity on—is that weight-bearing vehicles and lorries have to be placed strategically and safely on the vessels to make it seaworthy and safe for everyone travelling on them. Has the maximum tonnage that the vessels can take remained the same or has it had to be reduced?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

That would make it more palatable to the public purse.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I will make the briefest of comments rather than ask a follow-up question. I am not trying to be awkward about the issue. It appears to me that, under your tutelage, Ferguson and the workforce representatives whom I can see sitting in the public gallery have come through a really difficult period and a quick learning curve in recent years in fixing a lot of errors that predecessors made, and Ferguson is very close to being in robust health. However, for additional taxpayers’ money to go in, we have to be very clear and transparent about what we are getting for our money. It almost seems that Ferguson could be held to a higher standard than otherwise would have been the case because of what has happened previously.

I hope that we get to a position at which appropriate capital investment could be made, we can be clear about the efficiencies that that would give to the yard, and we can retain strategic commercial shipbuilding and the workforce in Scotland. However, we need transparency about what we get for our money.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I have a much more mundane question, coming back to clarification on Glen Sannox and Glen Rosa. I do not know whether other members have questions on this topic.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I am sorry if I get the numbers wrong—the exchange between you and the convener was complicated—but was it always intended that the original design would hold 127 cars and 16 lorries all at the same time? My understanding was that that was not the case.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

It would be good to hear from the witnesses, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

That is where I wanted to come in, convener. However, first of all, someone out there will be watching this exchange, and we keep talking about capex. Can we not speak in code, and can you be clear about what you mean by capex?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I knew that, but let us not codify in a way that is not accessible to the general public. That is really important.

We have had some reassurances that the small vessel replacement programme will be more stable, there will be fewer risks, and there is already more certainty about delivery compared with that for the two complex vehicles. Mr Ruskell established that in exchanges very well. There was a bid for £23 million or so of capital money to upgrade the yard in order to make it more competitive for bidding for anything commercial, including the seven vessels that may come from the Scottish Government. Mr Miller talked about the initial bid being clunky. Can we not speak in euphemisms? What do you mean by clunky? Apologies—you said “chunky”. The bid was too high, was it not?