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Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the fifth meeting in session 7 of the Public Service Reform Committee. Our first item of business is to decide whether to take agenda item 3 in private today. Do members agree to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
Item 2 is an evidence session on the committee’s pre-budget scrutiny inquiry into how the 2027-28 Scottish budget can best advance public service reform. We will hear from two panels of witnesses today. For the first panel, I welcome to the meeting Victoria Carson, engagement and influence director at the Wise Group; Jayne Jones, chief executive of the Scottish Food Commission; Dr Spencer Thompson, senior knowledge exchange fellow at the University of Strathclyde’s Scottish health equity research unit; and David Phillips, head of devolved and local government finance at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, who joins us remotely. Thank you all for supporting our scrutiny work this morning.
We have agreed that each witness may make a short opening statement. I will come to David Phillips first, and then we will go to our other invited guests.
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
I ask because Jayne Jones gave an example of where there was a disconnect, where the Food Commission sought to stitch the process back together in a meaningful way. Concrete examples are always good, because we are not talking about public service reform in the abstract—we are talking about a reality—so the committee will always benefit from specific on-the-ground examples. It is also about budget scrutiny and how budgets can be used to drive that change.
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
No one is busting a gut, so we will move on.
Before we move on, I need to offer the committee an apology. When we opened the meeting, I did not draw attention to the fact that our deputy convener, Michelle Campbell, is not present and has submitted her apologies. My apologies to Michelle for not putting that on the record.
We are joined by Paul McLennan as a substitute member. Fortunately, Paul has not yet contributed to the meeting, so I still have time to ask whether he wishes to declare any interests that are relevant to the committee’s work before we bring him in to ask a question.
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
Phew! Thank goodness we got that sorted. I will bring you in now to ask a question.
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
You are highlighting institutional buy-in rather than institutional resistance. You gave an example of that, and it is reasonable to put that on the record.
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
That is very helpful. To reassure you, David Phillips, we will come on to all of that imminently.
Before we do so, I will bring in Victoria Carson briefly, because we are keen to hear about your experience of community planning partnerships as an organisation and whether you would be confident that they can be
“the primary mechanism for place-based public service reform”,
as stated by the Scottish Government in its six-month update.
As individual MSPs, we all have our own experiences of community planning partnerships. Do you think that they could be a driver for the change that we want to see?
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
I will let you ask that question, as I do not want to set off the committee on the wrong terms, but you know very well that we have a series of questions on workforce reform coming up. That is not really a supplementary, is it?
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
I ask the witnesses to answer that briefly if they want, and then I will bring in Paul McLennan. Liam Davenport, you can come in, but you will have lots of opportunities to speak about that, because colleagues have questions on all of this.
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Bob Doris
Before I bring in Lorna Slater, Joe Fagan wants to explore a similar line of questioning.