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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Forgive me if I was not clear. We would prescribe the time period. I was merely making the point that the time period would probably reflect our usual period running up to the summer recess. We would not prescribe it up until the summer recess; it would be however many weeks.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Precisely the same thing would happen.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

They would have to make a choice within the prescribed period.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Correct.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I go back to the point that I just made. The Parliament has asked the SPCB to undertake a piece of work to make recommendations. I think that that was largely what the question was predicated on. We await to see what it recommends. There is that element of it, but when it gets to the process of a recall petition, it becomes much harder to do that, and we should be realistic enough to recognise that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

We have been talking about the recall mechanism, but that might come into play more in relation to the other part of the bill and the attendance requirement. That is probably where the issue will need to considered further.

Ultimately, the way that I read Mr Simpson’s bill—no doubt he will explain his rationale when he comes to give evidence to you—is that an MSP would be able to give reasons why they were unable to attend. They may be legitimate reasons, but questions could arise about them. The person might feel that they were private matters—despite being elected and in the public eye, we are still entitled to a level of privacy in our personal lives—but people would inevitably speculate about what the reasons might be.

On the recall process, it is an interesting question, but I struggle to see circumstances in which the personal matters would outweigh the reason for the recall process being triggered in the first place. It might be possible to build that into the system, but the committee would have to consider that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is an unknown unknown. [Laughter.]

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is a good question, and it might be the most difficult one that we have to grapple with as we consider the bill. It reflects the point that I made at the outset. The electoral system for this place is unique in these islands, as no one else uses the additional member system or the d’Hondt formula for the allocation of regional members.

Our starting premise must be the principle that we have parity once people have been elected. How they were elected should not make any difference to the rights and privileges that they have or the esteem in which they are held. However, it is possible that the process could recognise that members are elected through different processes. That is a matter of fact, as you set out. It is about getting the right balance. For the system to be viewed as being as fair as we can make it, there should be parity. However, that is balanced against the reality that we are elected in different ways.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I am sure that it will be informed by the evidence that you gather, convener.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Jamie Hepburn

No.