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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 January 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Sorry—that is what I meant. I have no doubt that you have spoken with the Crown Office—I would be surprised if you had not—but I meant that you did not ask about this specific issue. That is useful to understand.

This is my final question on part 3, convener, which is on an area that I think is important. Concerns have been raised about victims possibly being asked the same questions multiple times by multiple organisations, which could lead to some form of retraumatisation, and about the approach in the bill not being trauma informed. Have you considered that? Is it a concern for you? It would be a concern for me. Are you concerned that such an approach could retraumatise victims?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

It is quite a significant variance.

Similarly, on part 2 of the bill, COSLA provided the Finance and Public Administration Committee with data from a local authority, which suggested that the Caledonian programme’s

“cost per person amounts to approximately £3,460”

whereas the cost per person outlined in your financial memorandum is £2,325. Again, that is a significant difference, is it not?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

So, you would be willing to make changes to the bill to make this bill UNCRC compliant but, right now, you think that it is.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

So, Police Scotland, which has responsibility for investigating crime, and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, which has responsibility for taking forward prosecutions in criminal cases, are wrong in saying that there is no evidence base for a domestic abuse register.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

The committee was told that it would require systems upgrades for the Crown Office and local government. We did not quite get into the detail of adding tabs and so on, but what I took from them was that it would not be a straightforward process and would be resource intensive. Have you come up with any assessments of what the cost might be? I do not think that you went into too much detail on that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

You clearly had a detailed conversation with Police Scotland. What did the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the Crown Office say when you spoke to them about the issue?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I have a couple of questions to raise on part 3. There may be more specific points in the financial memorandum that Sharon Dowey may want to pick up on, but some concerns were expressed by organisations involved in data collection and reporting around the type of support and resources that would be required for them to be able to do that work. To be fair, you covered some of that in relation to charitable organisations, where there might be a more voluntary approach, but I understand from the bill that there would be a requirement on statutory agencies. What is your response to those resourcing concerns?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

She was representing Scottish Women’s Aid, so we must take it at face value that she was speaking on behalf of Scottish Women’s Aid.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am not necessarily saying that. I am talking specifically about Scottish Women’s Aid. I am simply making the point that we must presume that Marsha Scott was speaking on behalf of Scottish Women’s Aid. Do you not recognise the concerns that she laid out about the bureaucratic burden that the bill would place on organisations? Do you not think that we should take those concerns seriously?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am not talking about costs. I have a question about costs that I will come to in a minute. I am talking about the bureaucratic burden of administration on organisations and the work that would be involved for them.