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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have made the point that there are some complexities involved relating to interactions with other subordinate legislation and the other demands on those who are involved in the process across a range of other activities. That is the challenge that we face.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

There is a commitment to refer one in each parliamentary year, so yes. We will make it clear in due course what that might be, but, essentially, we intend to meet the agreement that we have with the committee.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Certainly—just let me get to the right part of my briefing papers.

Inevitably, some LCMs will come to the Scottish Parliament arising out of the UK Government’s programme. As to what those might be, that is something that we would flag in the usual fashion.

We have given some indication of legislation that we anticipate might require an LCM in due course, including the proposed railways bill, the Artificial Intelligence (Regulation) Bill, the Absent Voting (Elections in Scotland and Wales) Bill—a private member’s bill, which I am involved in responding to on our side—the Animal Welfare (Import of Dogs, Cats and Ferrets) Bill and various other bills. Any LCMs that might be lodged in connection with those bills would be dealt with in the usual way, and we would certainly let the committee know as quickly as possible if any were to trigger the specific interests of this committee. That said, looking down the list, I cannot see any that would require the specific, detailed consideration of this committee; I think that they would all be more for subject committees to consider.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Again, that is a matter of on-going discussion with the UK Government. I understand that the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster has written to your committee on the issue, and both Administrations are aware of the Scottish Parliament’s desire to have a scrutiny role with regard to those matters. I am also desirous of that, where that is sensible and proportionate to do so. I have made a commitment that we will continue to press that case with the UK Government. I have already made the point that I am looking to meet my counterpart in the Scotland Office, Kirsty McNeill, and I will make that point to her as well.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Of course.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I recognise that that is taking too long; I will not suggest otherwise. Work is on-going on a proposed section 93 order under the Scotland Act 1998 that will correct the error in the 2019 order. One of the challenges that we face, which has raised some complications, is that there is another proposed instrument in play that is interlinked, so that needs to be worked through. That involves us having to interact with the UK Government, which inevitably adds a layer of complexity. I am not trying to suggest that there is fault at either end, but that is an inevitable part of the complexity of the process.

I am looking to meet with my counterpart in the UK Government’s Scotland Office, Kirsty McNeill, in due course. This issue is one of the specific things that I want to discuss to try to make sure that we make some substantial progress so that, the next time that I am before the committee, I hope that I will be able to report that we have achieved such.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I will come back to the committee on that as soon as possible. I need to engage with the UK Government to be able to give a more definitive answer.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

There is on-going engagement between officials in the Scottish Government and those in the UK Government to try to resolve the issue.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

We continue to work our way through the various historical commitments that we have made. For example, we are due to lay instruments relating to police, teacher and firefighter pensions on 24 April.

The regulations that relate to the national health service pension schemes will become part of a wider amending instrument that is required to bring NHS remediable service regulations up to date. That instrument is anticipated to be laid before the summer recess.

We also intend to lay regulations relating to the Valuation (Proposals Procedure) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2024 (SSI 2024/186) before the summer recess, which will seek to remedy the point that the committee raised.

An amendment will be made to the Burial (Applications and Register) (Scotland) Regulations 2024 (22I 2024/334) at the same time as the next set of burial regulations are made under the terms of the primary legislation, the Burial and Cremation (Scotland) Act 2016. We will keep the Parliament updated on the timings.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I welcome the report. I have looked over it, but I had better keep my powder dry as to what I might say about it until we have sent the full response, which we will do in due course. Some of the findings will probably tally with what I laid out in the evidence that I gave when I came to speak to the inquiry. Obviously, the bureau is still to determine when a business motion will go before the Parliament and I should not get ahead of that too much, but I hope that it has been communicated to the committee that we have identified a date on which we hope to be able to debate the committee’s report. That will be later this month, just after recess. I hope that the Parliament will agree to that so that we can debate the report in fuller detail.