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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

It is not really for the Government to say, because we are accountable to the Parliament. We will come along if a committee requires, as you have rightly asked me to do today. However, Government ministers cannot earnestly sit here and say what our perspective is on committee performance.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Again, that would be for the Parliament to decide. Such a definition could only be determined as effective in so far as it reflects the committee’s purpose. Right now, every committee has a set and defined purpose. The purpose of the standing committees is very clearly understood, and the subject committees, which are determined and composed in each parliamentary session, have their remits.

I observe that the role of committees is understood to some extent. Whether that needs to be further clarified, defined or written down would ultimately be a matter for the Parliament. If such a change had any implications for the Government thereafter, we would need to consider how it would work in practice.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Far too much.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

First, I should make it clear that the Government does not have a perspective on whether there should be elected conveners.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I cannot see in what way it would, frankly. Whether Parliament has a wider role in electing conveners or we go through the process that we have now, my expectation would be that I would continue to engage with all conveners to talk about parliamentary business more widely and how it might impact committees individually, and for ministerial colleagues to continue to engage with conveners and, of course, committees as a whole, as required.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

As minister, I say quite clearly that the Scottish Government has no position in respect of whether there should be elected conveners. It is a matter for Parliament.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Well, yes. There are concerns about their effectiveness right now, but I go back to my initial observation that it is not for the Government to say whether or not committees are being effective. However, of course we would want that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

No, I cannot earnestly say that it has changed drastically. There is a degree of rough and tumble with politics, and we all bring our own perspectives. We have all been elected as party politicians, and that will inevitably come into play, in committee or otherwise. By and large, however, I do not think that things have changed too drastically.

I must also be candid in saying that, because I am in the Government, I do not sit on a committee, so I do not know about the dark secrets that the convener talked about—and I will keep mine to myself. I do not know precisely how committees operate when they meet in private session, and nor should I. The Government should not know that.

Looking from the outside in, it does not look as though things have changed drastically. However, of course, I have not sat on a committee since 2014.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

If you are asking me whether the Government has any concern about that, the answer is no. If you are asking me whether the Government has a perspective on whether that should change or not, then I would say that the Government does not have a perspective on that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

This may be a matter of frustration, but I will probably say this a number of times: we need to be careful, as I cannot sit here as a Government minister and say what the best way for Parliament to operate would be. Parliament needs to make that decision.