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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I have a couple of questions to raise on part 3. There may be more specific points in the financial memorandum that Sharon Dowey may want to pick up on, but some concerns were expressed by organisations involved in data collection and reporting around the type of support and resources that would be required for them to be able to do that work. To be fair, you covered some of that in relation to charitable organisations, where there might be a more voluntary approach, but I understand from the bill that there would be a requirement on statutory agencies. What is your response to those resourcing concerns?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

She was representing Scottish Women’s Aid, so we must take it at face value that she was speaking on behalf of Scottish Women’s Aid.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am not necessarily saying that. I am talking specifically about Scottish Women’s Aid. I am simply making the point that we must presume that Marsha Scott was speaking on behalf of Scottish Women’s Aid. Do you not recognise the concerns that she laid out about the bureaucratic burden that the bill would place on organisations? Do you not think that we should take those concerns seriously?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am not talking about costs. I have a question about costs that I will come to in a minute. I am talking about the bureaucratic burden of administration on organisations and the work that would be involved for them.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Dr Forbes said that she could not see compliance with the UNCRC being addressed in the policy memorandum. Why did she say that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

There might be a statement, but she is saying that there might not be enough detail. I have not looked, but I know that there will be a statement saying that you consider the bill to be compliant. What work has been done to demonstrate that the matter was given due consideration?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I understand all of that. I have been an elected member of the Parliament for 18 and a half years. I understand all the processes, but member’s bills have been introduced sooner. I will leave that there. My fundamental point is that there was a suggestion of concern about the process that we have gone through but, at the end of the day, the bill was introduced in May and there is limited time for us to take evidence.

I will ask a more specific question on part 1. You mentioned a £7 billion cost to society over a three-year period. Notwithstanding that cost, we obviously want to reduce the impact on women and children. That is the fundamental thing that we want to do, but we also want to bring down that cost. Presumably, part of the intention of the bill is to deter such behaviour in the first place—to bring down such incidents and such behaviour. Is that correct? Is the intention for it to have some deterrent effect?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

That is fine, but you have no information on the others, because you have not engaged with them on it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

If the bill requires amendment, do you agree that there is the possibility that, as drafted, it could retraumatise victims?