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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

—but I have provided evidence about the numbers of bills and SSIs and the length of time that is now being taken for consideration, with a reduced number—certainly of SSIs—in contrast to the large number that were introduced previously, when they were dealt with much more quickly.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

My first observation—the convener knows this as well as I do, because he sits on the Parliamentary Bureau—is that it is possible for a committee to ask for dispensation to do that just now. Whether it was to become routine would, again, be a matter for Parliament to consider. It would have to be weighed against what might be happening in plenary sessions and committee members’ desire to take part in those proceedings, too.

If it were to happen—again, it is not for the Government to say whether it should happen—a committee might need to consider, collectively, how it would balance the desirability or possibility of its meeting against the desire of its members to take part in other proceedings.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Well, it is a conundrum. I do not think that one should take precedence over the other.

It is obviously at the First Minister’s discretion to determine whom he or she wishes to appoint to Government, and it has been the determination of the current First Minister and the previous two First Ministers to establish a gender-balanced Cabinet. That is a good thing—I think that that view is held by most people—because Government should try to be as representative as possible of the wider population. So, too, should Parliament, but Parliament is not. I am not going to veer into politics too much, because I know that that is not the nature of this session, but it becomes particularly difficult when the membership of the Government party comprises—how shall I put it? I will avoid using the term “heavy lifting”, although I have said it out loud now—a more significant number of female members than other parties might comprise.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

This is the first time that I have ever been asked to sum up something in one or two sentences—I hope that this does not count as my first sentence.

As this is a legislature, the most obvious thing is that parliamentary committees must consider the legislation that is placed before Parliament, whether that involves looking at a bill in its primary form, the process of refinement at stage 2 after gathering a wide range of evidence or statutory instruments. Thereafter, the committee, depending on its defined remit, has the autonomy to decide whether to undertake an inquiry on specific subjects of Government activity or areas that the committee thinks that the Government is not doing enough on.

I did not count how many sentences that was, but I hope that that helps.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

It is not really for the Government to say, because we are accountable to the Parliament. We will come along if a committee requires, as you have rightly asked me to do today. However, Government ministers cannot earnestly sit here and say what our perspective is on committee performance.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Again, that would be for the Parliament to decide. Such a definition could only be determined as effective in so far as it reflects the committee’s purpose. Right now, every committee has a set and defined purpose. The purpose of the standing committees is very clearly understood, and the subject committees, which are determined and composed in each parliamentary session, have their remits.

I observe that the role of committees is understood to some extent. Whether that needs to be further clarified, defined or written down would ultimately be a matter for the Parliament. If such a change had any implications for the Government thereafter, we would need to consider how it would work in practice.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Far too much.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

First, I should make it clear that the Government does not have a perspective on whether there should be elected conveners.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I cannot see in what way it would, frankly. Whether Parliament has a wider role in electing conveners or we go through the process that we have now, my expectation would be that I would continue to engage with all conveners to talk about parliamentary business more widely and how it might impact committees individually, and for ministerial colleagues to continue to engage with conveners and, of course, committees as a whole, as required.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

As minister, I say quite clearly that the Scottish Government has no position in respect of whether there should be elected conveners. It is a matter for Parliament.