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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Of course it does with regard to the legislation that we introduce. I am merely reflecting on the fact that, although I am hearing that it is the volume of legislation that is the driver, the facts point in a different direction.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I am happy to speak to that as well, if you would like me to do so. I have figures on that, too.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I do, if you will let me find them.

The number of Scottish statutory instruments in the first year of our first parliamentary session, from 2000 to 2001, was 326. The number peaked in 2006-07, at 522. The last year for which we have figures is 2023-24, when there were 193 SSIs. Again, I therefore respectfully suggest that we are not overburdening committees with legislation in either its primary or its secondary form.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

By the rural committee—I beg your pardon.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Well, there is that perspective as well.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I guess that it would depend on the question. If we had introduced legislation, there would be a wider expectation that Parliament had to consider it. Once it is at committee, it is for the committee to determine.

I go back to the figures—I will not read them all out again, because I see the time, convener—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

—but I have provided evidence about the numbers of bills and SSIs and the length of time that is now being taken for consideration, with a reduced number—certainly of SSIs—in contrast to the large number that were introduced previously, when they were dealt with much more quickly.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

My first observation—the convener knows this as well as I do, because he sits on the Parliamentary Bureau—is that it is possible for a committee to ask for dispensation to do that just now. Whether it was to become routine would, again, be a matter for Parliament to consider. It would have to be weighed against what might be happening in plenary sessions and committee members’ desire to take part in those proceedings, too.

If it were to happen—again, it is not for the Government to say whether it should happen—a committee might need to consider, collectively, how it would balance the desirability or possibility of its meeting against the desire of its members to take part in other proceedings.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Well, it is a conundrum. I do not think that one should take precedence over the other.

It is obviously at the First Minister’s discretion to determine whom he or she wishes to appoint to Government, and it has been the determination of the current First Minister and the previous two First Ministers to establish a gender-balanced Cabinet. That is a good thing—I think that that view is held by most people—because Government should try to be as representative as possible of the wider population. So, too, should Parliament, but Parliament is not. I am not going to veer into politics too much, because I know that that is not the nature of this session, but it becomes particularly difficult when the membership of the Government party comprises—how shall I put it? I will avoid using the term “heavy lifting”, although I have said it out loud now—a more significant number of female members than other parties might comprise.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jamie Hepburn

This is the first time that I have ever been asked to sum up something in one or two sentences—I hope that this does not count as my first sentence.

As this is a legislature, the most obvious thing is that parliamentary committees must consider the legislation that is placed before Parliament, whether that involves looking at a bill in its primary form, the process of refinement at stage 2 after gathering a wide range of evidence or statutory instruments. Thereafter, the committee, depending on its defined remit, has the autonomy to decide whether to undertake an inquiry on specific subjects of Government activity or areas that the committee thinks that the Government is not doing enough on.

I did not count how many sentences that was, but I hope that that helps.