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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Okay. I have a question on the process that you have followed thus far. There have been 18 public meetings—I went along to one of them. Has there been an assessment of the feedback on those meetings?

I will be candid: I did not find the experience very satisfactory, and I do not think the attendees did either. That is not a criticism of those who came along to present, but there were breakout groups and I do not think that that was what the attendees expected. Has there been an assessment of how the members of the public who came along found the public meetings?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I suppose the other side of that is that, if you could not recruit, you would not be doing it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am sorry, John—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

It is year on year. That is useful to understand—again, we can draw out the information, so that is something that I may speak to my committee colleagues about. I just want to see whether it is a longer-term trend as well, but I do not know whether you can speak to that just now.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I will do my best, convener, but they are on important issues that impact my constituency, so I am intrigued and interested to know the answers.

The first follows up on Pauline McNeill’s question. You will need to forgive me, but is your name pronounced “Mhairi” or “Vhairi”?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am only asking whether there is scope. It is not that we have to rely on the Government to direct the board; the board could make the decision on its own.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

But could the board make a decision?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I accept that perspective. It would be useful for us to understand what people’s experience was, but that is a legitimate perspective.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Of course.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I accept that and I recognise that there is no formal decision-making process. I concede that. The point was—and I am sympathetic to it—that the committee might want to ask questions in advance of a final decision. However, I recognise that it is for the board to decide that. I was really just trying to understand the process.

Looking at the process that you have undertaken—I have made this point directly in response to the consultation and I have raised it in debate in Parliament—I would be intrigued to understand the rationale that has been pursued. I recognise that it is no easy undertaking when you are looking across the country and considering the extent to which you are going to have to regionalise it. However, you are a national service. It is difficult to remove my own constituency experiences entirely from this, but this point will be true everywhere, I suppose. When you were presenting on a regional basis, the changes were not always clear. Changes in Glasgow, for example, could impact my constituency, but they were not presented together, which I found a little unsatisfactory. Can you reassure me that, despite it being presented that way, there is some form of cross-border assessment, for want of a better term, given that, strictly speaking, there is no border or boundary in terms of the service?