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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

During the various committee meetings, and from the information that we have received from witnesses—including yourselves—I have been struck by the fact that both local and national Government need to provide some financial support, certainly in the initial stages. There is talk about the need for business rate relief and about evening up the competition between online providers and local providers by bringing in a digital sales tax. To what extent are the models that we are looking at dependent, in the long term, on some form of external subsidy? Is there a point at which businesses become self-sustaining and are there milestones leading to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

Not necessarily, but maybe Kirkcaldy. I do not know.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

The committee has heard on a number of occasions that a one-size-fits-all approach does not work for what we are trying to achieve in our town centres; the key to success is working effectively with the local community and businesses to establish regeneration. We have not seen good examples of where that has happened not just on a project basis—there are plenty of projects around that have been very successful—but on a planned basis, where the town centre has been successfully regenerated, bringing together all the different elements of local communities and so on. Danny, can you give me an example of where that has happened?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

Without commenting on the examples that have been given, it is important to differentiate between situations in which there have been individual projects that have been tremendously successful and those in which there has been a comprehensive town centre plan involving the whole community and so on that has been brought to fruition to make that step change and difference. Phil Prentice, could you comment on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

I am sure that that would be useful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

During this discussion we have been talking about various initiatives. There has been discussion about the need for incentives and about business rates and the potential need for rates relief to provide support. There has been talk about online retailers and levelling of the playing field by bringing in a digital sales tax, potentially.

Noting all that, and considering the people who have been putting forward and driving those initiatives, can they survive in the long term without a public subsidy to support them in some form?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

I was talking about long-term subsidy.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Although the NHS and Police Scotland have their own digital people, they have still had IT projects that failed because they did not have the skills to manage the contract. Even contract negotiation has been an issue in some cases. How are we providing them with support in such things? From what I understand from what has been said, the individual accountable officers within the areas in which those projects fall would still have the final say in how the project is managed. Do you have the authority to overrule them if you feel that they are going adrift?

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Most of the projects that we have seen fail have failed not because they were delivering something that the public did not want but because they eventually delivered something that the department or division concerned did not expect, and it was a case of a difference of interpretation between the end users and the techies building the system. It is vital that there is an understanding between the two, yet, again and again, what is being delivered is less than or different from what was expected and unable to be used for one reason or another. Given all that, I would have expected stronger central support.

You have talked about contracts, but surely each individual accountable officer does not have to be trained in the intricacies of a contract to build new software. Is that not the sort of thing that could be centralised, with experts going through contracts and ensuring that all the safeguards are in place? We have seen systems built that had no safeguards at all—there were no penalties on delivery and all sorts of basic things. Is that not the sort of thing that could be usefully and helpfully centralised?

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Colin Beattie

In view of the time, I will pass back to the convener.