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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

As far as this committee is concerned, we come in at the end of a problem, if you like. I am asking about who is alert to the red flags that you talked about. Who can intervene and do something about it? At the moment, from what I hear, that is not clear. More work needs to be done on that, and I am sure that the committee will follow that through.

We are talking about governance and so on. You have working relationships with the Standards Commission for Scotland and the SPCB, and you mentioned being primarily involved with two other committees of the Scottish Parliament. Which are those two committees?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

I am glad that you used the term “public sector” because, although I focused on colleges and the NHS, issues around which have come before us in big numbers, there is the wider public sector. Is there anything on your radar that would pull everything together so that we could see the whole public sector liability in that regard? That is probably ambitious.

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

I will move quickly to my questions on digital exclusion, which is an important issue in my constituency. About five years ago, the Office of Communications told me that 34 per cent of adults in my constituency did not have access to the internet or smartphones, which was an extraordinarily high amount. I hope that that has improved since then, although I do not have a figure.

It is really important that that be looked at. You state that you are taking a human rights-based approach to digital exclusion. What does that mean?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

I have one last quick question. You mentioned the Standards Commission and the statutory directions, which are still in place. What is the latest position on compliance with those statutory directions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

Have you had any discussions with the commission as to how long those directions might be in place?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

We have always been a wee bit vague as to how much authority the SPCB has over you. Yours is an independent function. Can you define the areas in which the SPCB exerts governance over your office and the ways in which it supports your office, which it funds? Where could that be improved? Is the SPCB the major governing body that you refer to?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

There are two aspects to that. You talked about R100. Some people are excluded because the physical service has not been made available to them, which has an impact on them, their business and so on. However, there are also those who choose not to engage and not to be part of the digital world. There is a surprising number of such people, as I have found at first hand. If they make that choice, is that a human rights issue? Probably not: it is their choice. Some people may not wish to engage, because of age or any other reason. How do you separate out the genuine human rights issue, in order to target those who are most in need of digital inclusion?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

What do you consider to be your current relationship with the two subject committees and the standards commissioner? Are your relationships with those working?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

I guess that there is always a desire to quantify and put a figure or number on exclusion. There seems to be lots of different wrinkles in that. How will you tease those out and ensure that, when you put a number on something, you are putting it on the right thing?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Colin Beattie

My second question is about estates management. As you know, over the years we have looked at figures from colleges and the NHS in particular where there have been maintenance backlogs that have been categorised from urgent to less so. You are going to be doing some work on this. Are you going to pick out the college sector and NHS for it and give us some sort of a feel for where they are going—are they improving or are they going down? There is a lot of money involved in those sectors and we need to understand the issues.