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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

The £100 million is part of the settlement for next year, 2023-24, but the Deputy First Minister made it clear that there were late changes to the 2022-23 budget that allowed him to use some of that to assist with the 2023-24 budget.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

There was not just one announcement but a series of announcements of the changes that we had to make. Those are the types of challenges that the Deputy First Minister has understandably made to Cabinet colleagues to see what could be done to initiate savings.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

For next year, the £123 million comes from the education and skills budget.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

But then you have to understand the consequences of that, Mr Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

With the greatest respect, Mr Kerr, I say to you that for the entirety of the teachers’ pay dispute I have said that, if the money is to be increased, that money will have to come from somewhere else. I genuinely do not know how that is a surprise to you—the balance has to be found within the budget.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

—and that has consequences—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

Certainly. I totally appreciate that the work for the budget proposals that come from local authorities goes on for a number of months before anything goes to the councils themselves. I go back to the point that the teacher census comes out at the start of December. That was when we had the information that showed the reduction in teacher numbers. I completely appreciate that councils had been working on it, but the material and information came out in December, which is when we began immediately to take action.

I am conscious of the fact that we have said previously that we would make the announcement on the next stage of the learning estate investment programme. I have been looking at that very carefully, and I hope to make the announcement soon. It would be fair to say that a number of local authorities have come forward with proposals, all of which are of good quality and that fulfil the criteria, so I am giving the matter due and serious consideration. I appreciate that my taking some more time to look at that is difficult for councils, but I hope that they appreciate that it is because I recognise the real significance to them of the decisions that we would take and because of the number of proposals that came in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

Letters went from me to COSLA straight after the teacher census, so no, Mr Marra. I think that you are trying to suggest something. The discussions about that started right after the teacher census. I point out that teacher numbers are still at a near record high in Scotland.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Shirley-Anne Somerville

Teachers are only one part—but an exceptionally important part—of reducing the poverty-related attainment gap. As I said earlier, we have seen an increase of 2,000 teachers on pre-pandemic levels and, as in other countries, the overall attainment levels have been impacted by Covid. However, in large part because of the exceptionally hard work of teachers and support staff, we have seen improvements in the attainment gap, such as the biggest single-year decrease in the attainment gap in primary numeracy and literacy since levels began. We absolutely still have more work to do on that but we have seen recovery in place and, as I said, that would in large part be down to the teachers.

There are a number of ways in which that work can be done; I pointed to some of those earlier. It is not just done by one teacher in front of a class, but involves specialist work by teachers for small groups of pupils and support for those with additional support needs. There are a number of ways that that can be done.

The quality of teaching and learning is also important. It is not possible to say that there is one thing that will improve attainment. There are different aspects to that, but I hope we can agree that teachers are an integral part of that. That is why the Government has placed such importance on increasing teacher numbers and why I have taken decisions to ensure that we do not see decreases in teacher numbers, which should be maintained throughout the year.