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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 8 November 2026
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Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

Thank you all very much. I am sorry that we have overrun a little bit, and I am sure that we could have explored much more, but we are very grateful to all of you for sharing your time to join us and inform our work.

We will now suspend the meeting and move into private session.

12:21

Meeting continued in private until 12:30.

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

It almost sounded as though you were finishing your response to my question by restating the question: do we have the right framework in place?

Our background briefing notes give some statistics about cultural attendance and participation levels. If we compare those with the aspiration in the national performance framework for culture to be something that the population widely enjoys and participates in actively, what is necessary between the Scottish Government making high-level budget decisions and that money being spent on the ground? What needs to be done to ensure that we increase the number of people, the range of people and the diversity of people who participate in and attend cultural activities, rather than simply making it easier or more attractive for people who already do?

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

That is the second time in the first 10 minutes that you have mentioned legislation, so I will note that the cabinet secretary seemed to indicate that introducing legislation is a long-term aspiration and that there is a commitment to consult but not necessarily to legislate in this session. Are you concerned about that being the timeframe that we are looking at for legislation? Is there a worry that there is a vacuum when it comes to the discussions that you have said need to take place to draw together a more ambitious approach?

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

Understood. It is increasingly clear that rising budgets are just as controversial and contested over as falling budgets. They do not make everything easy.

Liam Sinclair, there is quite a lot for you to respond to there.

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

Keith Brown has a question, and two more members would like to come in after that. I am conscious of the time, so I ask people to keep things reasonably tight.

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

We have run on a few minutes longer than planned, but we are very grateful for your time and input to the committee’s pre-budget scrutiny.

I suspend the meeting for a few minutes, to allow a changeover of witnesses.

10:51

Meeting suspended.

10:55

On resuming—

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

Three more members have yet to come in, and I would not mind a final question at the end, so I encourage everyone to be reasonably tight with questions and responses. Also, we will probably not be able to hear from every witness on every question.

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

Lucy Casot and Joseph Peach both want to come in. I will bring Lucy in first.

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

I am afraid that we are really tight for time, and I feel utterly compelled to crowbar in one final question, which is to VeroniqueLapeyrefrom SCAN.

You have repeatedly raised the challenges faced by Trongate 103 and the CCA, which are not only issues for Glasgow. It seems to me that we need, if we are going to have a thriving culture scene and access to culture, for physical premises not only to be of good quality and available but to cost significantly less than commercial rates and commercial rents. If we think back to when the CCA building was taken on by the Scottish Arts Council more than 50 years ago, it showed a sense of ambition from a national culture body that it should provide a space like that. Now, Creative Scotland does not want to be a landlord any more, and other parts of the public sector do not want to take on physical premises.

Do we need a new way of providing physical spaces in that way, or is it your view that we should push back against Creative Scotland and say, “No, providing spaces like this should be a core part of the national culture agency’s purpose”?

Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

Patrick Harvie

The main item of business is to begin taking evidence as part of our pre-budget scrutiny. I warmly welcome to the meeting Liam Sinclair, executive director and co-chief executive of the National Theatre of Scotland; and Lucy Casot, chief executive officer of Museums Galleries Scotland. Joining us online, we have Joseph Peach, director for policy and public affairs at Culture Counts. Thank you all very much for joining us.

I will open up with a relatively general question. We have a number of strategies in place. We have a culture strategy, an international culture strategy and a museums and galleries strategy, as well as high-level objectives in the national performance framework. Do we have enough to be confident that a rising trajectory of culture funding will lead to the results that the Government wants and that we all want? There is a cross-party welcome for the trajectory of funding, but are we confident that it will be used in a way that will achieve the intended results?

I throw that open to whoever would like to dive in first.