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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

My last question on food education in the broader sense is about staff—whether they are in schools, hospitals, care settings or other parts of the public sector. Food education is not just about basic skills but about the approach towards the different food culture that we are trying to create among the staff in those organisations. How does the plan engage with an empowering and respectful approach to changing what we expect from people who are working in food and in those environments?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you very much.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Good morning. We had quite an interesting exchange in the previous session this morning, when I was asking about the role of schools and food education. There was a little bit of a tension between the idea of food education as involving a reductive approach to cooking skills and knowledge about what is healthy and unhealthy food, as opposed to the wider role that education settings play. I think that there was some pushback against the idea that the focus should be on cooking skills and some criticism that the plan places too much emphasis on that, but I think that, at the same time, there was a clear understanding that education settings have an important role to play in shaping attitudes to food and attitudes to how people consume. Could you reflect on that balance between the slightly narrower—or reductive, if I can use that word—approach to food education and the wider responsibility of education settings in relation to food culture?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Part of my concern is whether the stated ambition will genuinely be delivered. We have already acknowledged that it is just over 10 years since the first good food nation strategy or document was produced—I forget its title. In the previous evidence session, I was reflecting that it is nearly 20 years since legislation was passed on public health and nutrition in schools. Already at that point, some of the schools that we visited were going way beyond better nutritional standards—it was not instead of, but as well as. They were building a relationship with local farmers, so that the farmers got a sense of the schools that they were supplying to and the children got a sense of where their food came from.

The schools were going beyond nutritional standards in relation to the environment of the school canteen. They were considering whether it felt like a burger joint or like something a bit more down to earth that related to how people eat together. What are young people learning from that environment? It is almost about seeing the canteen as an extension of a classroom, not because it is teaching a curriculum about food, but because it is exposing young people to a food system and to a set of cultural expectations.

Already at that point, some schools were doing great stuff, but a lot of schools were not engaging with that at all, and that is still the case 20 years later. How can you reassure us that MSPs will not be sat around this table in another 10 years saying, “Remember that good food nation plan? It set a lot of ambition, but not much has changed”?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Too much?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

I have a supplementary question on the connection between human health, climate and environmental health and animal health and wellbeing. If we accept what you say, achieving what you described as a more plant-forward diet—and perhaps a less meat-intensive agriculture system and diet—will need a considered, nuanced approach. In making the case that that can be done in a way that is beneficial to the rural economy and is in keeping with the direction towards which many people’s diets are gradually changing anyway, do you agree that public attitudes are more receptive than some political attitudes at the moment? We have seen, for example, the right-wing press and some politicians react in an opportunistic way—with a “We can’t do this; there would be a mass cull of all the animals and it would destroy the rural economy” kind of approach.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Sure—thank you.

10:30  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Can you give an example of how catering staff have shaped the plan or of how responses from unions or others have meant that those voices have been heard in that shaping?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

So that I understand the Government’s position, is the Government saying that it wants a less meat-intensive diet, a balanced approach to achieving, not a wholly plant-based diet, but, as was described in the previous session, a more plant-forward diet, and emissions reductions, but that that can be achieved without any reduction in meat production in Scotland?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

My question leads on quite well from that. I will talk about food education—a lot of that is about schools, but not exclusively so. At the highest level, is there enough ambition for food education in the plan? That may include cooking skills, but I am thinking about education around our relationship with food in a broader sense, whether that is in the curriculum or through education more widely.