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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

The next continued petition is PE1897, which was lodged by Richard Anderson. It calls on the Scottish Government to reform certain procedures for the collection of council tax.

The Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth reiterated that council tax is a local tax that is set and collected by each local authority, with every council being financially and administratively accountable to its electorate. He states that the Scottish Government has no plans, at this stage, to review the processes that are set out for council tax regulations. We have also heard from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities that it has nothing further to add to its previous submissions.

Do members have any comments or suggestions for action?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

I think that the evolution of that exchange and how shared decision making has materially progressed are great. Such a process was historically meant to be in place, but we discovered, in exploring the transvaginal mesh issue, that it was not really in place. If that change has happened, it is a very positive development.

I should say, Mr O’Kelly, that we have a very good video feed for you, so if at any time you feel that you would like to say something, you can just raise a hand and I will know immediately that you are trying to come in. You should not feel that you have to do anything more—I can see you well.

09:45  

Minister, on the last occasion we met, you said that it would be very difficult to quantify the extent to which there was a valid underpinning for the petitioners’ concerns, because there was no basis for evidence gathering that would allow for a material judgment to be made about the extent to which any experience was real. Has any thought been given to undertaking some sort of limited sampling or anything like that, just to get an understanding of how many people may be experiencing genuine post-hernia mesh complications?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Rebecca, would you like to make a final comment?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Before we hear from Gordon Baird, we will hear from Maria Aitken, who is now back with us after we unfortunately lost her connection.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Yes.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

I do not know whether you saw any of our evidence session with the Shouldice hospital. I understand that there are questions of geography but, in principle, Dr Spencer Netto said that he would be very happy to facilitate any access to the expertise that they have developed with their clinicians to benefit Scotland’s NHS, were that thought to be useful. They would be happy to explore that further if the Scottish Government wanted to pursue that.

I thank all three witnesses for giving evidence this morning.

10:35 Meeting suspended.  

10:39 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Sinclair, do you have any final thoughts?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. The possibility of such a referral is among the options that the committee has considered ahead of today’s evidence session. When we consider the evidence afresh, that will be one of the options that are open for us to explore further.

We have gone 20 minutes over the time that we thought we would need to discuss the petitions. I am very grateful to you all, because they are all very important petitions. They are thematically linked, but each has its own individual characteristics, and I very much appreciate the way that the witnesses both online and in the room have advocated on behalf of their petitions.

Historically, we used to hear from all petitioners, but the volume of petitions is now such that we do not hear from everybody. However, we all very much value the opportunity to meet and talk with petitioners and to hear them advocate on behalf of the petitions that they have lodged. It is still quite a big thing for petitioners to come before the Scottish Parliament and present their evidence in that way, probably thinking that they are up against a team of inquisitors. I hope that it has not proved to be too intimidating and that we have encouraged you to contribute as much as possible during the session.

I also thank our parliamentary colleagues who joined us for this morning’s session.

11:44 Meeting suspended.  

11:46 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. Finally, I ask for a comment from Rhoda Grant.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

This has absolutely been a substantive petition, and now the mood of the committee is to close it. I suggest that we write to the petitioners to thank them for submitting the petition and to say that we recognise the concerns that they and Rhoda Grant have articulated and that, if they feel that there is a justification for doing so, they could submit a petition that is focused directly on those concerns. Do colleagues agree?

Members indicated agreement.