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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Sweeney, I will wind back slightly, because I think that you have a supplementary question to Mr Stewart’s first point.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Participatory and Deliberative Democracy

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

It is worth noting that the whole process began with the previous Presiding Officer’s parliamentary commission, which I sat on and which looked at the whole question of public participation and deliberative democracy. I know that a lot of work has been done here in Parliament and by the Government in the time since.

We have a series of questions. Just last week, we had at a focus group at a deliberative democracy event in order that we could understand the issue. One of the issues that everyone will be wrestling with is the expectation that is created in the minds of people who participate that something will follow, which will be a challenge in relation to the reputation and sustainability of the concept, over time. We will touch on that later. I will start off with some technical questions, before colleagues come in.

We met the group and had a very productive and worthwhile evidence session. How did the Government decide on the composition of the group? I know that Scottish Government officials were involved; were they active and equal members of the group or were they there in a supporting and advisory role? What was the structure and how was it put together?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Ewing, did you want to come back on that?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Participatory and Deliberative Democracy

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

I conclude from what you have said that we are not looking at anything happening imminently; there will be a reasonable period of time before we see a properly considered response.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Before the minister comes in, I will bring in Mr Sweeney, who is interested in this theme, although I do not know whether that interest will match Mr Ewing’s passion.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Do you expect that to be a physical public event that members of the public can engage with, or can a public event be a more holistic affair?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Participatory and Deliberative Democracy

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

The “key committee”—I am sure that you flatter to deceive, minister.

Mr Byrne, you have been listening patiently to the evidence presented by the minister and your colleague. Do you want to contribute any reflections as we come to the end of our evidence session?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you, Mr Ewing. That is an important point that is well made. It is challenging for people for whom such travel is the only option when provision that they rely on is inadequate. That came across quite strongly.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much. We will come to solutions in a second or two.

The next petition is PE1915, which was lodged by Billy Sinclair. It calls on Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to reinstate Caithness County Council and Caithness NHS Board. Billy’s position is that local delivery has suffered greatly since services fell under the aegis of NHS Highland and the Highland Council. That is evidenced by the 120-mile journey to Raigmore hospital in Inverness that many expectant mothers have to contemplate. Following his evidence last week, he has provided a further written submission, of which members have a copy.

The final petition is PE1924 from Rebecca Wymer, which calls on Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to compete an emergency in-depth review of women’s health services in Caithness and Sutherland. Rebecca has stated that the services that are now being provided are in breach of basic human rights, and she is concerned that there could be loss of life due to failures in gynaecology care provision. In the wider round-table discussion, she echoed the point about it being difficult and unattractive for people to move to professional positions in Caithness due to the lack of women’s healthcare and maternity services. People who are coming from areas where those services are taken very much for granted suddenly become aware that the absence of them is potentially quite a serious issue.

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I should add that the journey that I mentioned earlier was the equivalent of a journey from Edinburgh to York, not Edinburgh to Newcastle. I understated the scale of the journey that was used by way of illustration.

Rebecca, too, has provided a further written submission. It was suggested—I think by some of our MSP colleagues—that the way forward for the petitions might be for us to consider whether to refer them. Do colleagues have any thoughts on that?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Participatory and Deliberative Democracy

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Although you are being slightly circumspect about your overall reaction to the report, would you go so far as to say that you feel that the group fulfilled your expectations and fulfilled the brief that was set for it?