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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Barn, good morning and welcome. In 1993, we had George Bush Snr, Boris Yeltsin and John Major, and “Jurassic Park” was the top movie of the year. Your submission rather suggests that dinosaurs still rule the earth and Transport Scotland, when it comes to the way in which contracts are awarded. It seems to be the central point of your case that the process that is in place will not encourage interest.

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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I have to say that I am struggling here—I feel as though I am wrestling with a ball of cotton wool. Are you saying that the pathologists would have to be the ones to decide whether there were modern operational practices that would mean that there were alternative ways of fulfilling their function?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

There are around 56,000 deaths in Scotland each year and 12 per cent of them require a post mortem. In a submission to the committee, the Royal College of Pathologists stated:

“there are significant pressures on pathology, post mortem and forensic services across Scotland. With grossly inadequate facilities and staffing levels being the reality of current provision.”

I should earlier have recognised our colleague Monica Lennon, who has joined us this morning. When she raised in Parliament the issues of delays and backlogs in the post mortem service, the Lord Advocate explained that

“The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service aims to conduct its investigation and advise the next of kin of the outcome within 12 weeks of the initial report of the death in at least 80 per cent of those cases.”—[Official Report, 6 October 2021; c 3.]

Can you confirm whether those pressures on the post-mortem service exist in Scotland? What proportion of post mortems are currently reported within 12 weeks?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you, Mr Fraser. I noted that there is a mysterious statement to be made in the final half hour before we rise for the summer recess, the content of which we know not at this time. Perhaps we can all live in hope. I return to Mr Ewing.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That is certainly a question, but I would note that, every year, 6,000 people in Canada are operated on successfully. There is also a consequential saving to the health service when a patient recovers, as they do not require constant additional medical support and treatment. I realise that there are issues to weigh up here, but I do not think that they should be casually dismissed just because of that.

According to Katy Clark, despite all the assurances that we have received about the consequences being discussed with individuals and the alternatives being properly represented to them, the petitioners still believe that that sort of thing is not happening universally. Therefore, I would be interested in getting the latest update on that matter from the Scottish Government. When the minister gave evidence along with health officials, assurances were given to us that further work was being done to provide more updated information material, and we would like to understand the status of that work and the impact that it has had.

It might well be that that will lead to our seeking to bring the cabinet secretary, rather than the minister, before us. After all, it was the cabinet secretary who first came before the committee and on whose initiative a lot of action was initially progressed. However, I think that that will be a decision for a subsequent meeting.

Do members have any other suggestions? Is the committee content with what I have proposed?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I welcome Kate Forbes to our proceedings. I will invite her to comment after we have heard the evidence, but I have, unusually, agreed that, if there is a point during the proceedings when she would like to put a question to the witnesses, I will be happy to facilitate that if she lets me know.

We move to Mr Choudhury.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I see that Jackie Baillie, who is not formally here to advise us on the petition, would like to come in. I have been generous today in bringing in parliamentary colleagues, so it would be churlish of me not to offer you that opportunity.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Yes, of course.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Welcome to our second session on PE1992. We are joined by representatives from Transport Scotland. I am delighted to see that we have Lawrence Shackman, Robert Galbraith and Morag Mackay. They have been following our proceedings avidly this morning. I noticed them faithfully sitting through all our deliberations on other petitions as well as the one that is before the committee now.

Do you want to make an opening statement or are you content to move straight to questions?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you for that. It might play to the discussion that we want to have about a national memorial and the possible misunderstanding between all parties about where that might be sited or the desirability of it, but we can come back to that.

Colleagues are very interested in this subject. I want to start where I finished in the earlier session, if I can be the daft laddie in relation to the petition. Did Transport Scotland ever advise the Scottish Government minister that the A9 could be completed by 2025? If not, did it warn the minister who gave that assurance to the public some years ago, particularly to all those who use the road regularly, that Transport Scotland could not meet such a target?