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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I think that we can accommodate all that. Are we content to proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Clearly, the 1983 ban would have been introduced pre-devolution. The ban in 2006 was post-devolution, so I do not know whether we were following any national advice at the time. The issue is whether, by extending our investigation into all that, we become better informed of the circumstances but no further forward with regard to taking the petition anywhere, because the direction from the Scottish Government and Food Standards Scotland is clear. I just wonder what the mood of colleagues is. Mr Torrance has proposed that we close the petition on that basis, but how are other colleagues minded?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Are we minded to close the petition but nonetheless think that it is worth while to ask the question, so that we have the answer to hand? What do you think, Mr Ewing? I think that Mr Sweeney is erring on the side of exploring things a bit further before we close the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

The petition is important, and we will take forward the issues that it raises.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That makes perfect sense.

Meeting of the Parliament

Topical Question Time

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Being candid, I admit to having had a significant prostate cancer concern at the start of the pandemic, which had a bearing on decisions that I made in my personal and professional life at the time. Notwithstanding the constraints of the pandemic, the treatment that I received was comprehensive, professional and timely. I think that the key thing—I hope that the cabinet secretary agrees—is that men who have any of the symptoms that are associated with prostate cancer must not be concerned about any embarrassment that they might feel arising from that, and that they must present themselves to the health service at the earliest possible opportunity. By doing that, I hope that they can, like me, expect to survive safely. [Applause.]

Meeting of the Parliament

Surgical Mesh and Fixation Devices

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Will the cabinet secretary give way?

Meeting of the Parliament

Surgical Mesh and Fixation Devices

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I think that politicians across the chamber, including those in the Government, accept that patients who have suffered in this way need to be believed. Rona Mackay, who is the convener of the cross-party group on chronic pain, has, along with me and others, heard repeatedly from individuals that, unfortunately, that is not always their experience when speaking to clinicians.

Meeting of the Parliament

Surgical Mesh and Fixation Devices

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I have now heard Dr Gulhane say that he has inserted mesh into other people. Were he to be diagnosed with a hernia and told that it must be repaired, would his preference be to have mesh inserted into him or to have a natural tissue repair?

Meeting of the Parliament

Surgical Mesh and Fixation Devices

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Johnson raises a valid point. The evidence that we have taken has related more directly to the issues that have been raised by the petition, but he raises an important consideration. I would be interested to hear the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care address that point.

The committee heard that surgical mesh has become the preferred method for hernia repair worldwide, with evidence suggesting that using mesh in hernia repair reduces recurrence. Nonetheless, a small minority of surgeons prefer to use natural tissue repair and will use mesh only as a last resort.

During our deliberations, we heard from experts at Shouldice hospital, in Canada. For those who may not be familiar with that unique hospital, I highlight that it is the only licensed hospital in the world that is dedicated to hernia repairs. We are particularly grateful to Dr Fernando Spencer Netto, who is a surgeon at Shouldice, for taking the time to meet the committee during a virtual evidence session last May.

Anyone who views the evidence that we heard from Shouldice hospital cannot fail to be impressed by its results. Dr Spencer Netto told us that the hospital carries out 6,000 to 6,500 procedures each year, around 99 per cent of which do not use mesh. The specialist focus on natural tissue repair has resulted in Shouldice having one of the lowest rates of hernia recurrence. Indeed, its recurrence rate is around three times lower than that of the hospital with the second-lowest rate of recurrence.

Presiding Officer, I see that I am very close to the time by which I must finish. I will conclude with the words of one of the petitioners. Roseanna Clarkin told us:

“We feel the Scottish Government have completely ignored us over the past 8 years.”

That is how the petitioners feel. She continued:

“We have campaigned alongside the transvaginal mesh women ... We always knew we would have to fight for better healthcare together ... This petition is our last chance to get what we feel should have already been in place.”

I am pleased that the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee can play a part in ensuring that Roseanna, Lauren and all those who continue to campaign with them will have their voices heard.

I move,

That the Parliament notes public petition PE1865 on suspending the use of all surgical mesh and fixation devices while a review of all surgical procedures which use polyester, polypropylene or titanium is carried out, and guidelines for the surgical use of mesh are established.

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