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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Colleagues, do we agree to the suggestions?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

It is not even that we do not have the legislation. The issue is with implementing it—that is the extraordinary thing. Are we agreed that we will proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Are there any other suggestions, colleagues?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We could also draw Mr Ewing’s comments to the attention of colleagues in the Scottish Parliament who have raised the issues, to see whether there is anything more that they might be able to offer the committee by way of a testimony or consideration. That would be helpful.

I think that we are all agreed that we will keep the petition open and that there are serious issues underpinning it that need to be properly examined and pursued. We have outlined a number of open workstreams that we will pursue ahead of our next consideration of the petition. Are colleagues content with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That brings us to item 2, which simply involves my asking members to agree to take item 5 in private. Are members content for us so to do?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee of 2023. Since last we met, we sadly have lost the services of Paul Sweeney MSP, who has been with the committee since the start of the current session of Parliament. I place on record my thanks to Paul. He was a very proactive member of the committee and I very much enjoyed his insights and sometimes—I suppose he would not mind me saying—out-of-left-field thinking in response to some of the petitions.

I am absolutely delighted to welcome Carol Mochan to the committee in Paul’s place. Carol has been with us before as a substitute, but now joins us as a full member of the committee. Although, in that capacity, she made a declaration of interests, just for completeness’ sake, and for the record, I invite her to do so again this morning.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That brings us to item 3, which is consideration of continued petitions. We have two continued petitions on which we intend to hear evidence. The first is petition PE1941, on stopping destruction of headstones in community cemeteries, which was lodged by Councillor Andrew Stuart Wood. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to monitor and regulate actions that are taken by local authorities when undertaking their statutory duty of ensuring health and safety within our cemeteries.

We are joined this morning by the petitioner, Councillor Andrew Stuart Wood, and by Desmond Barr from the Friends of Hawkhead Cemetery. Good morning to you both. Thank you for coming to give us evidence on this petition. We are also joined by Paul O’Kane MSP, who will be sharing his comments and reflections once we have heard from our witnesses.

Members have a number of questions that they would like to explore. Is there anything either of you would like to say in advance of members kicking off, or are you happy for us just to move to questions?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Perhaps you can decide who will answer first.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Can I cut in? In part, your concern is that a policy that was established as a consequence of a fatality from a headstone memorial that was some 7 feet tall and of heavy construction has led to regulations being applied now to much smaller and, frankly, less dangerous headstones, and in a highly destructive way without notice. That is causing distress and is causing sometimes irreparable damage to the stones themselves.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you for the photographs that you have given us. One shows a very good example of trenching, with a headstone literally having been halved. In essence, a hole has been dug, the stone has been inserted in that hole and all the details on the stone of the recently deceased person are buried beneath the ground—along with, unfortunately, the deceased—so one no longer has any idea whom the stone is commemorating. It looks quite crass.

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