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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Okay—we will keep the petition open on that basis.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you all very much. Your evidence has been very much appreciated. Is there any final point you would like to touch on that we have not addressed?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

The next of our continued petitions is PE1862, which was lodged by Rona MacKay, Angus Campbell and Naomi Bremner on behalf of the Uist economic task force and calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to introduce community representation on the boards of public organisations delivering lifeline services to island communities, in keeping with the Islands (Scotland) Act 2018. Dr Alasdair Allan has joined us before in our consideration of the petition, and I warmly welcome him back for this discussion.

When we considered the petition at our meeting on 22 February, we agreed to write to the Minister for Transport, recommending that the Scottish Government explore all available options for formalising the role of community representation on boards of public organisations, including Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd, David MacBrayne Ltd and Highlands and Islands Airports Ltd.

We received a response from the now-former transport minister, Kevin Stewart, who agreed that more islanders should be involved in decisions on lifeline services. Similar to the response from the previous minister, Jenny Gilruth, Mr Stewart provided information on the efforts to encourage applications from island representatives in recent CMAL and DML recruitment processes. The minister also highlighted HIAL’s location-neutral policy for head office roles, which enables staff undertaking head office functions to be based at any HIAL sites.

We have also received a further submission from the petitioners, which emphasises the unintended consequences that can result from not having islander knowledge on the boards of public bodies and includes a request to give oral evidence to the committee. That is one of the options open to members, although colleagues might think that, in inviting Dr Allan to address us, we have taken the issues in the petition as far as we can.

I invite Dr Allan to address us.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Our next continued petition is PE1992. I am delighted to say that we are joined by the petitioner, Laura Hansler—a very warm welcome to the committee, Laura.

The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to deliver on the commitment that it made in 2011, and address safety concerns on the A9 by publishing a revised timetable and detailed plan for dualling each section, completing the dualling work by 2025, and creating a memorial to those who have lost their lives in road traffic incidents on the A9.

As well as the petitioner, we are joined by Grahame Barn from the Civil Engineering Contractors Association Scotland. A warm welcome to Mr Barn as well.

We are also joined by a number of MSP colleagues, and others will be joining us later. First, we welcome Edward Mountain, who joins as a reporter on the petition for the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Mr Mountain will be assisting us in our consideration of the petition, including during today’s evidence sessions. It is nice to have you with us.

We also welcome Murdo Fraser and Kate Forbes, who I understand may be following proceedings online at present but will join proceedings later. Mark Ruskell may also join us. We have apologies from Jamie Halcro Johnston, who had hoped to join us.

All members who join us will have an opportunity to contribute at the end of the second evidence session. We have also received a written submission from Rhoda Grant, who is unable to join us due to other committee business.

A positive galaxy of parliamentary investigative talent will be brought to bear as we pursue the inquiry. After we have heard from our two witnesses, we will suspend briefly then hear from Transport Scotland.

I understand that, in the first instance, the petitioner would like to make a short statement. I am very happy to invite her to do so.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

If Jackie Baillie does not mind, I will ask her for clarification. The petitioner feels that his figures came from a ministerial response received to one of your questions. Have you been able to understand or establish why there might be a discrepancy between the two sets of figures?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

It would be useful to write to the Scottish Government to seek an explanation for the discrepancy in the figures. We should also draw attention to the report that has suggested that there could be a link with Covid. We could refer back to the petitioner’s long-standing association with the issue, the fact that it is all about prevention and that circumstances have changed. In the light of all of that, it could be that it is necessary to do a little more than had previously been suggested. Are colleagues content with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I think that, on the petition’s clinical objective, which was to rule out the use of mesh in all circumstances, we had previously taken the view that we had heard sufficient evidence not to support it in principle. Is that the point that you wish to make, Mr Torrance?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I return to the fact that the use of imaging does not require a change in the law. There was no change of the law in England when the practice was changed; it was just changed. It did not require parliamentarians to change the law; it required direction and discussion.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

How?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much, Lord Advocate. The points that you have made have been raised in the written submissions that we have received, and they are very much appreciated and understood. In part, what has surprised the committee is that, in our investigation of practices elsewhere, we have seen the function that you have just identified evolve both to the satisfaction of the people in question and in a way that has proved to be equally effective. Those are the areas that we would like to explore this morning.

I will open the questioning. Everybody understands that, if there is any suggestion that the circumstances surrounding a death are suspicious, a completely different criminal procedure is undertaken, but where no such suspicious circumstances are anticipated, is there scope for greater involvement of the next of kin and their views with regard to instructing a post mortem?