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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you, Mr Fraser.

Although, as I said earlier, I am on the A9 occasionally, in an earlier time in my political life the A77 from Eastwood to Ayr was notorious for loss of life. That issue was resolved with the dualling of that section. At one point, I think, more people lost their lives on that road, annually, than on any other in Scotland. Dualling is the ultimate and only reliable way in which we can hope to provide a safe journey and, as Kate Forbes said, achieve other objectives that are also in the national interest.

Thank you all very much. Are my colleagues on the committee content to consider at a subsequent time the evidence that we heard both from the Lord Advocate and in this session?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

And many other things.

Two parliamentary colleagues have joined us: Kate Forbes and Murdo Fraser. O comes before R, so I invite Kate Forbes to address to the committee comments that we can take into account as we consider the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I do not think that we have got to the end of this issue yet—or have we? I am sorry, colleagues, for summing up on behalf of the committee. Do colleagues have any points to make?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

The petitioners have specifically requested that they be given an opportunity to speak to the committee, but it would have to be a prelude to our trying to bottom out with the new minister exactly how matters could be realised instead of our just getting a lot of good will without any outcome being achieved or the desirability or otherwise of the outcome being assessed and responded to.

As a result, I might be minded to keep the petition open and accede to that request from the petitioners, as a precursor to speaking further to the new minister, who I understand has been presented as having vast experience of parliamentary life and an ability to resolve even the most intractable of problems. We will be very happy to put that ambition to the test.

Do members agree to keep the petition open and to accede to the petitioners’ request on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Is a record of that engagement kept?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. The Lord Advocate identified two situations. I think that the committee fully understands that, where there is any suggestion of a suspicious death or a death of unknown cause, different rules must pertain. However, the Lord Advocate also suggested that a post mortem can identify underlying systemic health deficiencies.

Children are excluded from post-mortem scanning—my understanding is that that does not work with young children; their bodies have not developed to the point where that would be appropriate. The professionals in England to whom we spoke told us that 94 per cent of all causes of death are established by use of scanning and that a similar percentage of their post mortems were non-invasive. I know that one of my colleagues will be pursuing that issue later.

You carry out post mortems when you identify that they are essential. The term “essential” seems to me to be very general.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

What percentage of post mortems that are conducted involve the brain being removed?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I understand that, but my understanding is that removing the brain is more a matter of routine in Scotland than it is elsewhere in the United Kingdom. Elsewhere in the UK, it is not routine practice simply to remove the brain in the way that we seem to do here. I wonder whether we have fallen behind medical practice elsewhere in the way in which we are proceeding.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Is that record open to inspection?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

If a relative were to assert that they did not feel that there had been any engagement, a record would be publicly available that would demonstrate that, in fact, their assertion was not correct.