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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

The petition will remain open and we will write to the various organisations suggested.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Yes, it might be risky to be sequential here; let us get it all in there now.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I thought that you were going to say, “As somebody who uses public toilets”. [Laughter.]

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I think that Mr Torrance’s conclusion, as supported by Mr Ewing, was that it does not look as though the Government will change its view on the statutory matter.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That is the most interesting declaration that I have heard in a very long while. Thank you for that.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

The first of the continuing petitions is PE1905, which was lodged by Angela Rosina Cousins on behalf of UK XJW’s Support. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to order a public inquiry into the actions that have taken by religious organisations in response to child sex abuse allegations since 1950.

Since our last consideration of the petition, we have written to the Scottish Government, highlighting the recommendations of the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in England and Wales. As part of that communication, we again called for the Scottish inquiry to have its terms of reference extended or for the Scottish Government to investigate the possibility of establishing an alternative inquiry in order to match the scope of the inquiries that are taking place elsewhere.

We have since received a response from the then Deputy First Minister, John Swinney, restating the Scottish Government’s position that widening the inquiry’s remit is not practicable, as it would make the inquiry “unmanageable in scope”. The response states that it is imperative that resources are dedicated to on-going work to implement the national guidance for child protection.

Do colleagues have any comments or thoughts in the light of the former Deputy First Minister’s latest response?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Colleagues, are we content to support those suggestions?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. I think that you are quite right—the Government lit the fuse of expectation without giving us the bang of delivery on an issue on which the public expected progress.

Do colleagues have any suggestions?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That brings us to our second continued petition, and I gather that the petitioner is again with us in the public gallery. Good morning.

PE1911, lodged by Ann Stark, is on review of the Human Tissue (Scotland) Act 2006 as it relates to post mortems. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to review the 2006 act and relevant guidance to ensure that all post mortems can be carried out only with permission of the next of kin;?do not routinely remove brains; and?offer tissues and samples to next of kin as a matter of course.

In our consideration of this petition, we are joined by our colleague Monica Lennon MSP. Good morning to you, too, Monica.

Members will recall our evidence-taking session in June with the Lord Advocate and Andy Shanks, Head of the Scottish fatalities investigation unit at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. Since that meeting, we have received further information from the COPFS; its written submission states that the COPFS is working with pathology providers on a service redesign, and its preference is to have a national pathology and mortuary service established under national health service leadership. On the issue of CT scanning, the submission notes that representations have been made by two pathology providers on the viability of using scanning in post-mortem examinations, which?I think is progress on what we have understood to be the position before.

The petitioner, Ann Stark, has provided two written submissions, the first of which notes the upcoming service redesign and states that there is an opportunity to introduce the use of scanners in murder and suspicious cases. Ann also emphasises the importance of taking grieving families’ perspectives into account if a national service is to be established.

In her second submission, Ann Stark reiterates the importance of families having a choice about what happens with their loved ones and highlights the use of scanners in London to check for prostate cancer, which I think was in a very recent news story—in fact, they were talking about using magnetic resonance imaging for that.

In addition to the two submissions that are included in the papers, we have all received numerous e-mail communications directly from the petitioner about issues relating to her petition. I say to the petitioner that, although I fully understand her desire to ensure that we are fully informed, it is most helpful if submissions go to the clerks, because it causes confusion among members if we get them, as we are not sure of the operational process for dealing with them. I assure the petitioner that, if they go to the clerk, we will get them on a concise form, and that would assist us.

Before I open up to wider comment, given that Monica Lennon was with us when we heard our evidence from the Lord Advocate and from Andy Shanks, I wonder whether she would like to say something.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Jackson Carlaw

No—that was incredibly helpful.

In the letter that Fergus Ewing has suggested, it might be helpful to refer to the fact that the COPFS has said that it has received representations from two pathology providers. It might be interesting to ask for a bit more detail on that, because that does not tell us anything other than that it has received submissions. It would be useful to pull that together, as Fergus Ewing has suggested.

Do colleagues have any other suggestions over and above that?