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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 June 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Embedding Public Participation in the Work of the Parliament

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I think that the committee very much feels that citizens panels that are led by Governments and people’s panels, which is what we are recommending in the Parliament, should be there to serve the debate and consideration of the elected representatives, not to act as a separate imperative for action to take place.

Interestingly, what came out of our meetings with the people who had participated in Paris and Dublin—and, indeed, here—is that the key thing is feedback. People want to have feedback. They are perfectly prepared to be told that we are not going to do something if it is explained to them why we are not going to do it. That was very instructive. Whether we like it or not, the lesson for many people who have participated in national public consultations or initiatives such as this has been that, if they have ever come up with anything awkward, the lead authority has then buried the whole thing rather than having to discuss it. The cumulative effect of that is a sort of suspicion and a cynicism about whether there was really any genuine endeavour to consider what the people who participated in the panel actually thought. Feedback is the key, but there is an understanding that it should be the national Parliament that ultimately makes key decisions.

Meeting of the Parliament

Embedding Public Participation in the Work of the Parliament

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

It occurs to me to suggest to the minister and maybe helpfully to Mr Doris that, although the criteria for drawing people to participate would be random, the basis of those criteria can be determined if a particular panel was going to be held on a specific issue and it was felt that that would be fundamentally important to the consideration. That would be true about some issues, but not necessarily about others. The point is that we do not want the politicians to select the individuals who would participate. There should be a genuinely random representation, but that can be an informed representation if the issues so determine.

Meeting of the Parliament

Embedding Public Participation in the Work of the Parliament

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I think that I am out of time.

Meeting of the Parliament

Embedding Public Participation in the Work of the Parliament

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I, too, participated in some of those Parliament days. Apparently, in a lot of the work that was done afterwards to establish what the value of those days had been seen to be, it was felt that we had kind of landed, done our thing and gone away again, and that there was no lasting benefit. It was felt that the types of engagement that we should be seeking to take from the Parliament out into communities should be designed to leave more of a legacy with regard to appreciation of the Parliament.

Meeting of the Parliament

Embedding Public Participation in the Work of the Parliament

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

It is interesting that, in the Irish Parliament, the Ceann Comhairle—the Speaker—has such discretion. The form of words is for the Speaker to say to the relevant minister that they have perhaps been a little let down by their civil servants in the comprehensiveness of the response that they have just given, and that they might like to add to it a little further. In fact, the existence of that power has meant that it has never had to be used, which is interesting. It is not necessarily the case that a Presiding Officer would require to intervene, but the knowledge that they could intervene has elsewhere led to sharper and more focused answers from ministers.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That was just the prologue.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much. I also thank Karen McKeown—we send our best wishes to her.

We have been looking at the petition since 2021. Do colleagues have any thoughts or comments?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

With that metaphor ringing in our ears—the postman never knocks twice. Is that the—

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

As there are no other suggestions, are we content to proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Yes, that would be sensible. It has been suggested that a number of things are in train and we sometimes leave open petitions just to see whether those things materialise. If we close the petition on that basis, we should make it clear that it will be possible to bring it back if they do not. Do members agree to close the petition?

Members indicated agreement.